"... as its 3rd string O-line."

BobLeeSays:   Dec 10, ’12
    Of the bevy of incredibly insightful comments I’ve made here in 12+ years perhaps none has proven more “dead solid perfect” than – “a (college) football team is only as strong as its 3rd string offensive line”.  I knew that was insightful.  The incredible part has come over time.  As Doeren, Fedora et al attempt to lead their programs to BCS glory, it will depend on those unknown “big-uns” in the trenches.

I’m always giving Bubba The Real AD advice.  “NEVER schedule Wake Forest in September” was as sage a piece as I have proferred.

This past season the Fighting Fedorians went into BBT Field @ Groves Stadium @ The Dixie Classic Fairgrounds in early September and came out #2 in a two horse race.  That Gio-less team lost by a gossamer-thin point but the resultant L was as permanent as that L vs GaTech.   Had that game been in late Oct – early Nov twoulda likely been a 9th W for the Heels.

Wake Forest in September is always a different team than Wake Forest 6-8 weeks later and there is not much that Jim Grobe can do about it.  The same holds true for every team below the “perennial powers”.  The reason is DEPTH; especially depth along the O-line.

I asked my Authority on All Things Mizzou – Big Jim Sterling - for his reflections on Mizzou’s inaugural season as an SEC punching bag.  “.... devastating injuries to our offensive line and our QB was never fully healthy.  And we were “one Johnny Manziel” from beating the same aTm team we beat the previous two years.”  Big Jim is confident that his Tigers can indeed compete in the SEC IF it can keep its best offensive linemen healthy.  Alas, no one has ever found a way to do that.

Followers of the now departed TO’B’s NCState teams knew it was mid-September when they would read that one, two, three O-linemen had blown a knee, a shoulder, a foot whatever and were out for the year.  With TO’B’s teams it often even started in pre-season practice.  Check the records..... EVERY year he would end up with a taped-up group of whozits and walk-ons along the O-line by late-October.

It’s not Jim Grobe, Gary Pinkel, TO’B, or any other coaches’ fault.   Those same injuries happen to big-uns in every program but the perennial powers have DEPTH in those 2nd and 3rd strings.

It happens in the NFL too but they simply go to the players store and buy new ones.

Offensive linemen are like “flag girls” in the band.  No one notices them except their proud parents in the stands.   Well not quite.  The coaches and the QB and the running backs “notice” especially when the best ones are carted off and the not-as-good ones are pressed into service lacking the experience, and in many cases, the raw ability, of the ones that limped off.

The difference between a running back “breaking a long gainer” and a “no-gainer” is the split-second that a better O-lineman can hold a block.  A “good block” does not have to be a pancake but simply engage the D-lineman or linebacker for that second or so it takes the runner to scoot thru the hole.  An extra split-second for the QB to work his progressions before he is blindsided.

It’s not the coaches’ fault or even the players’ fault.  It’s a matter of “physics”.  Players have gotten bigger, stronger, faster but “joints” (knees, ankles, shoulders, feet) are pretty much the same ones that walked off The Mayflower or that carried Cro-Magnon man when he was hunting a wooly mammoth.  

“Joints” are like “human nature” – neither has changed very much over the centuries.   YIKES, thats positively Zen!

But BobLee I see all the O-linemen wearing knee braces these days.  Don’t those help?  Yes, but not when 350 lbs falls on it.  Or several 350 lbsers fall on it.  In 1966, UNC had two players over 250 lbs – Mike Richey and Terry Rowe.  NC State had Dennis Byrd and Ron Carpenter.  Now every BCS school has a dozen or so at 300+.  Linebackers are now bigger than tackles were twenty years ago.  And its 300 lbs of pretty solid muscle not blubber.... and it moves remarkably fast over short distances.

When the ball is snapped you follow the ball.  In the split-second that ball goes thru the center’s legs all sorts of powerful violence is unleashed at the line of scrimmage as 8-10 well-armored bull elephants charge into one another with intent to do harm.  Often they succeed as mass X velocity = snap.  Not unlike sumo wrestlers except these are wearing armor not big diapers.  

So Doeren, Fedora, Grobe, Pinkel, Saban are not unlike Eisenhower, Robert E. Lee, Napoleon, and William “Braveheart” Wallace.  They send men into battle knowing there will be casualties in the first few waves but each hoping they can send in enough fresh troops to eventually wear down the enemy and be victorious.

The armies (teams) that are victorious are the ones with DEPTH.

BCS wannabees have some very good players.  Maybe even a superstar or two or three and a few super talents CAN carry a team to 4-5-6 Ws.  But eventually attrition wins out.  The difference between New Years on Bourbon Street and Christmas In Shreveport is “those 3rd string O-lines”.

By November Jim Grobe is playing 230 lb walk-ons instead of 280 lb 3-stars.  He can’t bring in enough 3-4 star meat-on-the-hoof to give him depth.  Every year is a crapshoot of how long can he keep his top talent healthy.  Once a decade he might luck out.

When Florida State was in its Juggernaut Era, Bowden was 3-deep in 3-4 stars on both his O & D-lines.  Alabama is now.  

Butch Davis knew Depth Wins.  UNC could always get enough “darn good players” to field very good 1.5 strings.  To “get to the next level” Butch needed to be three-deep in BCS talent.  He recruited that way..... but at a price.   Ouch.

Can Fedora and/or Doeren recruit “three-deep” talent and “get to the next level”?  It takes more than the occasional Rivers, Russell, or Gio to get “there” and especially to stay there.   

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Yours truly took some heavy incoming flak over that last column.... yawn.  Apparently some Wuffers thought I wrote that Sports Illustrated article about Debbie Yow at Maryland.  Nope, I simply “read it on the Internet” like everyone else did.  I’ve never met Frau Yow but I know Bob Kennel likes her a lot.  Kennel likes me too so I sure can’t question his tastes too much.

Speaking of “reading it on the Internet” the latest doozy re: Coach Gott is spreading fast.  I’m hearing “that one” from various WPC members no less.  When that one gets to the Heel looney fringe it will go viral but I’m not telling’em.  I don’t pedal prurient gossip.

Re: NFL Problems:  Last week the NFL had "a gun problem".  This week the NFL has "a drinking problem".  Whats next "hoarding Rolexes" or "texting while driving Bentleys"?

Re: The Heisman:  I was pulling for the Hawaiian LB from Notre Dame.  He has a much shorter arrest record (none at all) than does Johnny Football.  Call me "old fashioned".  Yes, johnny HeisManziel has a lengthy "record" for assaults etc.  No drugs or rapes.  His "record" is why Mack never recruited him. 

Re: Butch's Career:  Why wasn't Butcher mentioned for all the big time HFC gigs?  Could be because if he is still NOT employed "as a coach" on Jan 1 he collects $900,000 from UNC.  Maybe FIU is willing to wait.  If "anyone" (JS) knows more about that, please comment. 

The Infamous Martin Report is coming out December 20 – the day before The Mayan Apocalypse.  A coincidence ???  The formal presentation will be open to the media.   PackPride should show it live on the Carter-Finley Jumbotron.... charge admission w/ proceeds going to The V Foundation?? ..... maybe sell “I (heart) Dan Kane” t-shirts.  If the Martin Report does not go like ABCers want it to; they already have an assembled angry mob to march on the UNC System HQ. ..... hey, I’m just trying to help the V Foundation.
Posted: December 10, 2012 at 8:20 AM by SaidWHATMedia | with 13 comments | Tagged as: BCS, Fedora, Football, NCState
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OldAlphaWolf
In the '60s, my friend Glenn Sasser made all ACC tackle at 225 pounds. He was drafted by the St Louis Cardinals.
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BL: From Tarboro? UNC's Ron Rusnak was also an AA guard at around 220 in the early 70s. Then supplements and advanced training techniques took over.
12/13/2012 11:42:43 AM

fayettewuf
Scheduling Duke late usually has worked hasn't it. Generally speaking Wake does suffer from attrition on the OL and DL more than most. Last year, 2011, TOB's OL guys were hurt early and came back and he became a much better coach and Glennon became much better. The board coaches seldom include factors like this in their analysis of coaching effectiveness.
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BL: Moving the Duke / UNC Game this year was Duke's idea to get a larger gate - which worked plus they were at "fuller" strength in mid-Oct. Board monkey coaches seldom factor any facts into their analysis.
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12/12/2012 3:42:00 PM

Old MacDonald
Hey Bob: I would tell you to stop posting incoherent crap because it is time for you to hit the early bird special...but then you would just ramble on endlessly about how you invented the early bird special.
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BL: No, but he did invent Denny's Grand Slam Breakfast. Whats with you guys? I thought "the strength of the Wolf is in the Pack" ?? You guys ARE cannibals. :-)
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12/10/2012 5:09:33 PM

58 Wolf Kennel
BL: Good analysis of O-Line parameters. As an old 2nd-3rd string tight end at 185 pounds, your analysis was true then as it is now.
Don't know where some of your clientele comes from or what ails them. Don't know Old MacDonald at all or Jim P (other than several of his old blogs) who seem to come out of deep left field to speak enmity without specifics. I would offer both them a good dose of prunes.
As for you (friend :>)), don't know whether I'm on the Adams or Munster side of your picture. I choose Uncle Fester ((:>))
PS: couldn't go over to Corchiani's for the DVD introduction, but have heard nothing about Gottfried. He continues to do a good job, of that I'm sure.
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BL: If you had been there it would be known as Kennel's Party I'm sure. :-)

JimP's a man of many and strong opinions as am I. Luckily for such as we that is not yet a hanging offense.'

I can see you as Uncle Fester or Cousin It. Not Lurch.

Sports Celebrities in this area are forever "in the cyber news". Like conspiracy theories - only 50% are true, but which 50% ?? Next time you're in the Case Center, ask around.
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12/10/2012 2:33:15 PM

Lakepacker
The size and speed of players now has the powers that be confused. When people quit wearing thigh pads to make them faster, they made a rule they had to wear them. That just increases injuries. Remove some of the padding and see how this game will slow up. Players lead with body parts that are protected. This game is on a death spiral if it continues unchecked. They will need 4th and 5th team linemen.
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BL: I agree but America does love its "Bread & Circus" especially a violent "circus". Those players on the field aren't "real". They are just holograms in a video games aren't they?

Besides it doesn't bother me when your players get carted off. Just when mine are.... and concussions are waaaaay over-rated. .... Buncha sissies. YIKES!
12/10/2012 1:40:47 PM

Jim Pomeranz
And thank you for your support...
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BL: Any time Jimmy P. :-)

A group picture of "my friends" looks like The Munsters Meet The Addams Family!
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12/10/2012 12:10:29 PM

Roswell Barbie
Went to the bb game Saturday night. Defense looked good, but got sloppy in handling the ball - definitely need work in that area.
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BL: Wake me up when we play someone that matters.
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12/10/2012 11:57:19 AM

Monroe
Lots-O-Truf in here...

Didn’t know anything about Gott... do the stories say he’s still a cheerleaders’ guy at heart... for goodness sake at a school where Dook’s look like Miss America candidates?

...an’ I won’t tell nobody, neither!
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BL: Not from my lips nor from my keyboard, but it's at least several weeks old. "Fame" has its disadvantages.
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12/10/2012 11:55:02 AM

MediaMogul
Jim Hickey was a sourpuss and not known for great wisdom. But, we can learn about someone’s trade from listening to the guys who make their living plying it.

We played LSU while he was here, a couple of times, I think, and always got clobbered. My question as a fuzzy-faced novitiate was something to the effect of, “How does LSU manage to have such great players?”

His pithy answer said what you said, “Well, hell, it’s not the 22 on the field, it’s the 122 they have stockpiled in the dorm when they need ‘em.”
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BL: Like General Custer said.... "where'd all these freakin' Indians come from?" Also what Col. Travis said about Santa Anna's army at The Alamo.... the sheer weight of numbers!
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12/10/2012 11:35:40 AM

BullCityBeth
Hi Boblee, I've loved the 'as strong as its 3rd string o-line’ since you used it years ago... it is a line i often use when making conversation with eligible bachelors, it sounds so sportsy and insightful that bless their hearts they think I know what I'm talking about. J (i do try to give you credit for the line, depending on how well i've hooked 'em). So, thank you for your wonderful insightful, and entertaining words. Happy Monday (and how about that RG3?!?!)

I’ve got brother searching the internet for the Gott rumors… Martin report day before the Mayan apocalypse… you make me laugh!!
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BL: Bethie, making you laugh AND saving Western Civilization are the two things I do best.
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12/10/2012 11:32:22 AM

wolfdon
Tony Kornheiser, Gary Williams' golfing buddy, thinks DY was single handily responsibile for Md.'s financial collapse......also he has just discovered Morning Joe after about 10 years later than everyone else and recommends it to all listeners. It is nice to be in the know.....
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BL: I've been blamed for my share of natural disasters too. Apparently I WAS solely responsible for Butch getting fired !! Who knew?

Anyone who ever did anything of significance likely made an enemy or three while doing it. Me Frau, Gary Williams, ***** Baddour .... oops, bad example.
12/10/2012 11:05:42 AM

Jim Pomeranz
Do me a favor and leave Bob Kennel out of it. If I never have to hear his name or his voice or see his face or his writing, it won't be soon enough. I understand he's BobLee's (read that God's) gift to what to do that's right with college athletics and, if you don't believe me, just ask Bob Kennel. Please, please, please let him fade into something but nothing as nice as a beautiful sunset. Maybe the hazardous waste dump at Carter-Finley Stadium (unless that's been cleaned up?!?!?).
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BL: Jim, Jim, Jim... some other wuffs have said the same about YOU and I gave them this same answer: "Some folks prefer spicy food - I prefer eccentric people." What can I say?

You Wuffs are quite a cannibalistic tribe !!! Why is that? Damn that Johnny Swofford.
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12/10/2012 10:27:14 AM

FG
"comparing O-line big-uns to flag girls in the band" !! Pretty sure that's never been done before. It's true but never thought about it.

Don't suppose you will reveal the Gott Rumor, will you?
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BL: I do strive for originality where I can.

"Nope" on revealing the Gott Rumor but I'm hearing it from various divergent sources so assume it's not a BIG secret.
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12/10/2012 9:26:11 AM

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