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AP: Blowback To "McCrory University".... yawn.


Feb 5, ’13:  This is too easy (and funny as all get-out).   Predicting how liberals will react, in general, is easy enough.  Predicting the academaniac wing of their funny farm is “shooting fish in a barrel” easy.   Recently Gov PatMc made a passing reference to “higher education” in a radio interview and UNC’s Franklin Street immediately erupted in a street riot – Yeee Hahahaha.   Grab your votive candle.  Its time to “vigil”.  Oh Me!   Oh My! .......  

It was NOT Pat McCrory's State Of The State Address.
It was NOT a called press conference.
It was NOT addressing the eeeeevil NCGOP.
It was NOT a clandestine meet with Tillis & Berger.
It was NOT a personal email to Billy Barber (yikes!)
Heck, it was NOT even a coded missive to eeeeevil Art Pope.

It WAS an impromptu response to a question among many questions in a radio interview.   An interview that very few if any one would have ever heard, much less gone into cardiac arrest over..... UNLESS: you are a hair-trigger UNC academic hanging onto the ledge of reality by a fingernail.

PatMc’s casual response to “an education question” was that he thought the emphasis among NC’s state-supported universities should be primarily focused on preparing young people to compete in the job market.  He felt that state dollars should be allocated with that objective as a priority.  It was, at best, a casual opinion; not an executive order.

Pat McCrory did NOT say he was anti-Latin or anti-Shakespeare or anti-Hemingway or even anti-Maya freakin' Angelou for goodness sakes.   He was NOT calling for Catcher In The Rye to be banned..... or for Uncle Remus to be reinstated.  Or even that Atlas Shrugged be a mandatory read.

Pat McCrory did NOT decry “Renaissance learning for the sake of learning”.   I don’t know PatMc (yet) but I bet you he likes “learning” and enjoys being in the company of fascinating folks in stimulating conversation.  I certainly do.   All my crazy right-wing fanatic friends do too.   I’ve even heard a certain demonic radio host with initials “RL” like Learning too.   NOOO WAY?  Yes, way.

BUT - KABOOM went the loonies in Chapel Hill..... and the fall-out is still falling out.

You’d a thought PatMc had decreed that their basketball palace be renamed CoachK Coliseum..... or that Silent Sam be replaced with a statue of Ronnie Reagan..... or that UNC’s College of Arts & Sciences be replaced with a Lowe’s Home Improvement Center...... instructing “young skulls full of mush” in the applicable arts of hanging sheetrock, repairing HVAC systems or adjusting a carburetor.   Nope.... PatMc did NOT mention any of those valuable life skills.

“Academaniacs of the warpath” are, alas, like toothpaste squeezing out of a tube – easy enough to get it out..... next to impossible to de-squeeze.   The UNC faculty squirrels are now in full riot mode and the votive candle demand in Orange County is nearing critical mode.

Faculty squirrels traditionally react to any imaginary threat to their imaginary world by (1) holding a candlelight vigil and then (2) firing off venomous tirades to their media henchmen.   In this case that be the local McClatchy (failing) enterprise – The N&O – and to their TV counterpart – WRAL.  Oh, and their media henchmen give them a big hug and join their silly vigil.... because they hate Governor McCrory even more than the academaniacs do.

Here’s one of the most Yeee-haaaiest ...... so far.   They tend to feed on one another so each succeeding venomous tirade amps up toxicity from its predecessors.   


(NOTE: We never link directly to N&O because.... we don't like them.  So we don't give them "views"!)

If your immediate reaction is “these sumbitches are nutz” then you’ve pretty well grasped the situation.   Actually these particular sumbitches are “tenured nutz” .

PatMc has brought up some interesting discussion topics that will be batted about in the upcoming Legislative session.   Whether or not any substantive changes are enacted is yet to be seen.  Likely a tweak or two at most but don't tell the rompin' stompin' loonies.

Personally, I like the thought that every graduate of UNC-CH might (1) know how to change a tire.... or (2) identify a Phillips-head screwdriver.   Alas, I’m not sure there are any current faculty members over at my alma mater (!!) that are capable of teaching either skill.

PS:  Q: AgentPierce, what has been the reaction at "the other 15" branches of the UNC System? 
...... A:  Pretty much it's been "Huh? This is silly.  I've got a class to teach."

Like pretty much every nutty over-reaction to anything, this is "a Flagship issue".


The following is an email sent to a NCGenAssem member this week by some UNC nitwit calling itself "Jen Job":

Dear Rep. XXXXXX,
I started a petition to you on titled Protect liberal arts classes at UNC. So far, the petition has 12,242 total signers, 108 of whom are constituents of yours.

You can email all of your constituents who have signed the petition by clicking here: XXXXXXXXXXX

The petition states:

"Governor McCrory: Stop your effort to dismantle UNC system liberal arts programs. UNC includes top-tier institutions attended by students from all over the world, in part because of its diverse and rigorous coursework. Give UNC the respect it deserves and keep your politics out of it."   (AP:  What a pile o' crap !!!)

To download a PDF file of all your constituents who have signed the petition, including their addresses, click this link: XXXXXXXXX

Thank you.

--Jen Job


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Posted: February 05, 2013 at 12:46 PM by SaidWHATMedia | with 12 comments

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I knew if I looked in the pile, eventually I would find the pony.

My comments were probably aimed, and perhaps rightly so, at the Flagship.

I also agree that NCSU's beauty is much deeper than her facilities. I watched the PP boys and girls build the brick yard and we would sometimes go over there at night and re-arrange their designs and leave messages. That was before the Free Expression Tunnels rules.

I will also comment that pruning and grooming ivy and feeding the masses of young bodies is a costly item.

BUT, if you review (and please pull up the 2012 financial reports from BOTH universities) the line items, UNC spend TWICE as much on Profs than does UNC. Basically, they are the same size, except things just cost more in Orange County.

As to your jibes about sharing our backyard with central prison, it NEVER cost me a minute's sleep. I was raised less than a quarter mile down the railroad track from a County Prison in a rural Piedmont County. When the sirens would go off in the middle of the night, Daddy would put two shells in the double barrel and I would load my pellet rifle and we would stand guard as the escapees would always head down the tracks and we cold hear the baying of the blood hounds.

What price beauty? Is a high maintenance trophy wife worth it? Of is a solid partner with a few years and wrinkles that can discuss current events and still "tickle" your fancy(s) under the covers a better deal?

Certain, the latter is more cost effective and I choose that.

ECU and UNC-Charlotte and Happy Appy are also some of the examples.

The "exception" to the rules is in Orange County. NOW, if the tuition (as compared to the OTHER sister institutions) was raised by about $65K (over a four year stay) or if the Alumni of the University of Beauty in Orange County wanted to provide financial support to that end, then all would be well and Dr. Ross would NOT have to make excuses.
I WILL point out, as BL did, that the offhanded remark was totally blown out of context....but as you said, when the fact are ACTUALLY looked at, then the result are pretty damning.
I REALLY, in all sincerity, think that some data on the WORTH (to society and the financial value) of each school needs to be baselined. I do NOT know which way the scales would be tipped.
I retired without any need to worry about learning the infamous "Welcome to Walmart" or other such phrases and I expect to depart the earth and leave my kids and other folks (NCSU maybe) a nice rememberance. I do NOT represent, I think (really don't know) the typical NCSU grad....but I can compare myself to a VERY successful UNC grad in business and a UNC produced attorney. Suffice it to say that my net worth and life style are = or > than theirs and that they have expressed some coveting over the years....and not just for my DW of 48 years....
But, this is all in good humor and jest and not personal. Facts were presented and facts that are verifiable. It is up to Ms. Wood and Gov. McCrory to determine what if any changes are deemed necessary.

AP: Being in the unique seat of knowing "behind the curtains" re: both NCSU'68 and DB, I can assure both that neither are "the negative stereotypes normally associated with their respective alma maters".

'68, I'm going to have start charging you by the word. :-)
2/6/2013 3:16:40 PM

AP, this was another fine piece of work regarding the embarrassing facultoids at my state-run alma mater.

Regarding the post from that ole guy from UNC @ Central Prison - I never like agreeing with anyone whose e-mail address includes NCSU grad, regardless of the year. In fact I never like agreeing with anyone who shared a front or back yard with their friends at Central Prison. But while ole NCSU68grad can write some crap at times, (not always, just at times), his comments today, if accurate, were pretty damning.

But it does remind me of a conversation that I had with the wife the last time I drove past the NCSU campus ..... which happened to be when we were driving home from Governor Pat McCrory's inauguration. We pondered the question, "What is the ugliest college campus in America. Of the ones that we have seen, I believe it has to be either NCSU or Theee Ohio State University. Maybe that lower level of spending at NCSU helps to offset the ugliness of their campus! While in Chapel Hole, everything has to be The Taj Mahal. And maybe that splains why it takes $200 to mow the same grass in Chapel Hole as it does at UNC @ Central Prison.

AP: I try to avoid commenting on the acquired tastes of others. It's a terrorist vs freedom fighter argument..... "solitaire with a deck of 51".

Everyone "co**kles" are warmed by different memories.
2/6/2013 10:53:07 AM

Guess the liberal fads have now changed. Back in the dark days, before CD's and remote keyless entry (circa 1981), I was required to take a "black studies" module in my college. We began by studying -- you got it, "Uncle Remus". Zippity Doo Dah! Brer Bear and Brer Rabbit too!

Then again, in those days, liberals were unflagging in their support for Israel, and "we all knew" that the next ice age was on its way, caused by human pollution.

AP: Libs are notoriously "like frogs in a pond". They simply jump from one lily pad issue to another. Since "making sense" is never a concern, their serendipitous erraticness is not only predictable, it is fully expected.
2/6/2013 7:29:27 AM

McCrory is the one who made the mistake. Mentioning UNC is wrong unless you are praising them. This is actually founded in religion. In earliest days the name "Yahweh" could only be whispered in a sacred place and then only under special circumstances. Is was irreverent of the Governor to speak the name "UNC" without attaching sufficient words of praise and supplication. Or to mention the name "UNC" without falling to his knees in a spirit of prayer. I am afraid Governor McCrory is the one at fault here. Going against the high church is wrong! From what I hear the UNC supporters are getting ready to vote a ban on McCrory from wearing tortoise shell glasses, Carolina blue oxford cloth shirts, pleated khaki pants and light-colored Sperry TopSiders (car salesman shoes). The vote will also ban McCrory from being condescending, smug and obnoxious. If this vote passes McCrory will definitely never pass as a true Carolina man.

He may be the Governor but he is not above the "system."

AP: Actually PatMc is "a Catawba man" which already costs him valuable cred points among the snoots of Old Well World.

As I noted in the first column on "this".... PatMc lost no friends wuth his comment. He simply further enraged his enemies.
2/6/2013 6:12:38 AM

Posh! Only a bumpkin would expect a person to spend 4-5 years at the Flagship and learn a skill that might lead to employment. Those years are to be spent being enlightened. One has the remainder of a lifetime to develop employable skills. :)

AP: Any comment that stirs up those loonies is a fine piece of rhetoric!
2/5/2013 8:35:56 PM

Mark Harrill
The whole point of McCrory's comment was relative to the TYPE of job one might find. Something of substance!
Doctor? Great!
Tree-hugger - you'll be dependent on the gubmint!

AP: What about "lawyer" ???
2/5/2013 7:49:30 PM

Comic relief here. I KNOW that in 1984, NCSU required the "swim test". My BIL had been in and out and finally acquired sufficient hours for his degree MIL worried about this, even after she read his Diploma at Graduation (she thought it was a conditional one and he would have to take remedial swimming). This was a wonderfully educated lady whom I adored and had a lot of common sense. We still kid him about it.
MY experience at orientation was a HOOT. This is factual. I can get instant corrobation, but many are passing on. We were grouped into about 200 - 250 by alphabet. We were required to go to Carmichael Gymn. We took a 30 minute Biology (birds and bees) Test. That determined whether our first session of PE was a SexEd course.
THEN we were give a locker key and told to go down. This is NOT a CO-ED event. We were told to take off ALL, yes ALL, of our clothes. We then were directed upstairs to the pool and we were required to swim the short distance (25 yards - X 2 or 50 yards) in 60 seconds or less. Many refused to swim and were assigned to Beginning Swimming. Many cheated and floundered around in the water to get assigned to Beginning Swimming. I barely passed and was put in Intermediate Swimming. We had to learn Survival Swimming. Toward the end of the course, our hand and feet were bound (behind our back) and we had to "bob" in the pool for 5 minutes. That was the most gruling and frightening 5 minutes of my life. I am better for it, but it was an UNFORGETTABLE experience...during the Orientation and in the PE class.
Did UNC do it this way....? I forgot to say that the windows were taped with butcher paper to prevent the 300 co-eds from becoming "arroused" if they were standing outside the windows.... are of the same vintage as I am.....How did UNC administer the Freshman Orientation Swim test?

AP: Too long ago to recall. I think it involved a very hungry alligator and a 10 second headstart.
2/5/2013 4:08:38 PM

I've been out of college A LONG time and I still can't tune a carburetor or program a remote. BUT I do know a phillips-head screwdriver and how to call AAA for a flat tire.

AP: DIY Network should offer on-line degrees.
2/5/2013 3:26:14 PM

OK, BL, since you brought it up....

This little diatribe over Gov. McCrory's offhand and unscripted commnets actually makes one of the RevBB's traveling "we are oppressed" routine seem very trivial and amateurish.

I had commented before about doing some SERIOUS research, such as actually reading the 2012 NCSU and UNC Financial reports. Also emailing the Triangle Business Journal and asking for their source documents on past articles. I also, very professionally, asked Binky Binker, that ACE Capital Beat reporter for Jim Goodmon's empire to look into in and that I had some research documents from public records that might be of interest.

Quick question.....who responded....who avoided. If the TBJ reporter was your vote on RESPONDED, then you are 1 X 1. If you said that Binky NEVER acknowledge, then you are 2 X 2.
Here are facts, which I have the source documents (that came from both institutions of HIGHER learning and from Dr. Ross's OWN presentations). Let's say that AGAIN, Dr. Ross, the chief protester of the consolidate U's BOG or BOT or whatever presented the costs and the tabular data.
Grab an adult beverage and listen....
This is for calendar year 2011-12;
UNC - Degrees granted - 7630; Average cost of degree - $115,376; Per cent HIGHER than UNC Consolidated Average - 73.4%
NCSU - Degrees granted - 8,347; Average $$ - $59,408. Per cent LOWERE than UNC Consolidated Average - 10.7 or if you will -10.7%.
Now, Dr. Woodson did good. NCSU was 11th lowest. BUT hats off to ECU @ 8% below the averaged - which ranked them 10th.
UNC-Charlotte was 14th at 24% LESS and Happy Appy State (who's grads have a HIGH job finding ratio) was 15th and 31% below the average.
NOW, I wondered, WHAT ran up the UNC Budget.....EVERYTHING.
Beth Woods' department has a "Standardized" report on "Expenses" for all the universities.
I looked at the 8 or so categories. UNC's budget was at least 100% or TWICE as much on every line item as the same one at NCSU. So, if it costs $100 to mow a patch of grass at NCSU, then it costs $200 to mow the same sized patch at UNC.
BUT, there is ONE item that stymied me and I did research. It is the Auxiliary or Enterprise Operations (opportunities). I thought it was the cost of Bill Shatner's wardrobe....BUT...
it is the DORMS and DINING HALLS.
UNC spends a FULL 25% of it's budget on that combined "service". It is 2.5 TIMES higher than NCSU who spends around 10% there.
I used to do a LOT of work analyzing operations and making recommendations on areas to improve....quality, efficiency, costs, etc.
If this were a company that made Votive Candles and had 17 factories, then guess which one has the highest STANDARD COST per candle. UNC of course. So, if you want to look at a "benchmark" as we used to call them, you first look for size. UNC puts out about 90% as many degrees as does NCSU. So NCSU becomes the standard by which you compare the others.
Next, you look at each of the apples and oranges and cumquats and pomegrannys....and then compare EACH ONE. Seems like the purchasing department at UNC pays TWICE for each ingredient as does NCSU.
Now, it is TRULY amazing that Dr. Ross did NOT point out how NCSU was doing such a GOOD job. I also wondered, but that is a deep dark secret that only Barry Saunders is allowed to know.....what is the ratio of Job Offers or Employment to the degrees granted.
That will take a filing of an FIOL document. When I matriculated through NCSU, the placement department had all sorts of charts and graphs and stats on the odds of one, two, three or more offers by field of study and the average starting salary. NO MORE. I guess that this info would injure the self esteem of today's grad, who is packing and heading back to mama and daddy's pad for a while.
I would also like to know....what is the average earnings of each of the schools....that would be a great benchmark.
To those that sometimes overlook my terminal droning, I certainly hope that you read this one. It is factual and as concise as I could be. If the Gov. wants to know WHERE to LOOK and WHAT to LOOK for, I have a few suggestions.

AP: How is all this playing in Cullowhee and Pembroke?
2/5/2013 2:57:08 PM

aw AP, do we still hafta pass the swimming test and... mod civ?

AP: The mind reels over how those acade-nutjobs have "revised" Mod Civ to fit their "how it shoulda been" version. .... How do angry lesbians feel about swimming?
2/5/2013 2:53:04 PM

AgentPierce, could we maybe get "program a TV remote" in the UNC curriculum?

AP: Not as currently administered UNLESS it is a bi-sexual remote and it is "Green".
2/5/2013 1:47:56 PM

"....... or even anti-Maya freakin' Angelou for goodness sakes. He was not calling for Grapes of Wrath to be banned..... or for Uncle Remus to be reinstated. ....... MONEY LINE! :-)

AP: I hear he's saving the "Uncle Remus reinstate" for Year Two.
2/5/2013 1:08:03 PM

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