BobLee Says

T'aint Funny.... unless "our kids" do it.

Feb 8, ’13:  “College humor” has always been a ticklish subject (pun intended) for responsible adults to discuss.  Because today’s “responsible adults” were IRresponsible smart-a** college students just a few decades ago.   IResponsible adults however have no problem blurting their asinine opinions on the appropriateness of college humor or on anything else.  “Something” happened in Cameron Indoor Stadium on Thursday night.....

I was not in attendance at the State v Duke BkB game Thursday night.  I watched bits and pieces on TV but with no interest other than watching a potential Duke rout get whittled down to an “interesting” final minute or so.  Oddly, exactly what happened with Carolina v State a week or so ago.

I first heard about “THE CRAZIES SAID _____?” on Friday morning from a BLSays reader wanting my opinion.   

My 1st thought was:

DAMN!  IF they really did say THAT, that’s definitely over-the-line.  Coach K will no doubt be fired by noon and that vile hellhole bulldozed to rubble by 5:00 PM.

My 2nd thought about 15 seconds later was:

I betcha there’s at least three, possibly four, other versions of what may / may not have happened.  Assuming so, Coach K will likely still be employed at days end and Eddie Cameron’s esteemed ediface will still be standing.

Thought #2 prevailed.

If you are gainfully employed and “have a life” that does not involve “checking the monkey boards” every 30 minute you have no idea what might / might not have occurred Thursday night in Cameron.  If you were “there” last night, you may not have a clue either.

At issue is whether some/all/a few/none of the “Cameron Crazies” yelled jeers at State freshman guard Tyler Lewis about his grandmother who passed away recently.  If some/all/a few “did” I think that is way-over-the-line and shameful.  I’m not sure what the penalty for college students “doing really stoopid crap” should be.  

I know a lot of well-to-do doctors, attorneys, engineers and tenured faculty who are glad that penalty does not involve dismemberment otherwise they would lack a few limbs from their own stoopidity during their college years.

In fact.... if you recall Animal House.  “Bluto” (John Belushi), the worst of all the Delta hell raisers, goes on to be a U.S. Senator.   Oh me.... Oh my.

NOTE:  Did John Swofford make a rule that there must be “at least one Tyler” in the ACC every year?  If so, why?

There is one Cardinal Rule about "stoopid behavior by college students".  When "our students" do IT - "just kids letting off a little steam.... not big deal."  If "their students" do the very same IT - "get a rope RIGHT NOW!"  

Through the day I have read enough on-site eye(ear)witness reports from all along the partisan spectrum that say emphatically Yes / No / Maybe a taunt was / was not made about Tyler Lewis’ Grandmother.  So here we are.

The only “question” among rabid NC State partisans is whether this Unspeakable Crime by Duke surpasses UNC’s Great Unpleasantness meaning Cameron now gets bulldozed before Dean’s Dome.  The last vote totals I saw have it as “do it simultaneously – they are both very horrid places that must be destroyed.”

The usual raging bottom-feeders bunch on The Brickyard is convinced this was, of course, a labyrinthian conspiracy involving everyone ever involved with Duke University masterminded by “Rat Face” with Christian Laettner directly involved and probably JJ Reddick too.  Many State fans still hate Shavlick Randolph so lets dust for Shav’s DNA too.

My 4th or 5th thought came around to Saint Debbie Yow considered by some to be the penultimate Wonder Woman of Collegiate Athletics.  That the Divine “Frau” walks on water is a given.... according to some.  Why did I think of Frau?  Certainly she was not a conspirator in this.  No, of course not.   But Frau was “in charge of all things athletical” at The University of Maryland for well over a decade.

During her extended tour at College Park, “Maryland fans” gained the ignominious distinction as “worse than The Crazies”.   Say it ain’t so BobLee.  T’is so.   History records numerous incidents of the foulest of language and even “stuff thrown” at opposing players families, et al et al... YIKES!  

Saint Debbie with all her magical powers could not control her own hellions over a decade of recorded HORRIBLE behavior but Duke AD Kevin White & Coach K should be able to do so?   If Saint Frau can’t control a student section, what hope is there for non-deified ADs?

One can only imagine BubbaTheRealAD, Ron Wellman and Terry Holland watching and saying “better them than us”.  And “there but for the Grace of God be us next week”.

Rampant Stoopidity lies just under the surface on every college campus in America.  Perhaps now more so than ever before but I can’t prove that.  It could and does erupt without warning and can create a helluva mess.  The level of mess that causes administrators and Trustees to dive under tables and curl into fetal positions.

There is a Murphy’s Law factor to these stoopidity eruptions.  They always tend to occur at the very worst timing for the institution.  For Duke this week..... the campus was already under siege from its sizable Asian contingent and its sympathizers.  

No word yet on whether any privileged (and quite bigoted) Kappa Sig frat boys or any exchange students from Shanghai, Mombai or Kyoto were seen/heard taunting Tyler about his grandmother.  What is the Mandarin word for “grandmother”?

Refer to AgentPierce’s recent mini-opus on the above Duke stoopidity eruption.

How will “Grandmother-gate” be resolved?  Hopefully Duke will NOT summon Jim Martin to study the game tapes.  I think we can ALL agree that won’t help at all.  

The N&O is sucking swamp water and hemorrhaging red ink like never before.  Another Triangle-area college sports scandal might sell a few papers.  Have the retiring Caulton “Toot” Tudor take this on as his swan song?

TV Mogul Jim “George Soros Jr” Goodmon is a graduate of Duke.  Will Jimmy tell his WRAL attack dogs to soft-pedal this?  We know for a fact that “the news” at WRAL is whatever Jim Goodmon wants it to be.  How can Jim blame this on Pat McCrory?

Me?  I figure maybe it’ll be worth one more column; a half column at least.  If Mike Nifong gets involved all bets are off.

PS:  Did “they” ever find the Wuff idiot that threw the coke at Bill Guthridge.... or the ones shooting the heated pennies at the Carolina players all those years....?   Just wondering......


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Posted: February 08, 2013 at 7:31 PM by SaidWHATMedia | with 14 comments

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Bobby, as for crazy college kids doing stooopid stuff I harken back to my college days. The College of Charleston was much smaller then without the white haired wonder from GA Tech at the helm. A large crowd for one of our games was a couple of hundred. My frat buddies and I decided to sit in the bleachers behind one of the baskets. That evening the refs were especially bad for the home team. After one particularly bad call as the ref came to his resting spot at the end line just to the side of the lane I gave him a retort. It was something to the effect of how well he blew his whistle and other things that might apply to. My frat buddies went wild, some others sitting the the audience were NOT amused and the ref took the same stance. A few moments later he had a security guard escort me from the building. Come to think of it it may have been a very young Karl Hess. At any rate the year removed unpleasantness at the then RBC center with KH and Googs and Corch brought those memories readily to mind. I bet they didn't have to see the Dean on Monday morning though.

BL: It's a fine line between "how clever!" and "uh oh".
2/11/2013 12:12:13 PM

Old MacDonald
"and the most paranoid and persecuted fanbase in America has its collective panties in a twist about yet another perceived slight. " ... let's see. What names can I call the UNC fanbase with that broad of a brush and still get BL endorsement?

BL: I refer to UNC's fan base as most "self-deludedly arrogant" and "arrogantly self-delusional". All fan bases have their psych-crosses to bear.
2/11/2013 9:32:34 AM

One final comment....the "vision" or appiriation of Debbie Yow's brain in Linda Carter's costume (with here outstanding assets) and Lindsey Wagner's Bionic powers is a force that no mortal, even chosen ones like WCJ and BHO would want to deal with....OK, Slick Willie would want to try...

After a lot of reading and thinking and listening, I conclude that most sports fans in the US of A (BL, what is the Chinese reaction?) probably THINK that the Classless Cameron Crazies WERE certainly capable of the Grandma chant.

So, based on your past behavior, no one doubts that what level you can descend to.

Then, having to defend that you did NOT do it and are just a bunch of misunderstood liberal loonies or EELS is your prefer, is priceless.

American Express, Master Card, Visa, and Bernacke could not BUY such wonderful (vile) publicity.

OUTTA HERE....Duke is about ready to have some roast eagle after the break....gonna be R rated in Bean Town.....was UGLY in Orange Town, but the pasta sauce dripping all over Scott Wood's ball and the siting of a Joe Nameth looking fellow circling in a red silk warmup tells me HOW we won. He only shows up ocassionally....

BL: If "most" fans do hear ".... grandmother" then the next stage is "was it pre-auhorized by anyone of authority in the Duke heirarchy?

If an ad hoc Wuff lynch mob has already decided "that doesn't matter.... it IS Duke's fault regardless" that sets a most interesting precedent.

Again, will the former Head Terrapin AD throw a stone from her glass house ??? I betcha we get NO COMMENT from Madame Yow.
2/10/2013 7:01:09 PM

"Rampant Stoopidity lies just under the surface on every college campus in America." As it will be so long as the graph lines of youth, blood alcohol content and cannabis consumption intersects somewhere in the student seating section. Especially if they've been told, since birth, that they are part of a higher life form caste than most humans.

BL: Being arrogant smart-alecks is part of the 18-23 rite of passage. Has been for some time.
2/9/2013 5:54:16 PM

re.Steve Kerr, for years the myth persisted that Duke students taunted him, which is false.

The Duke students chanted "past your bedtime" which is a standard cheer. Not vile. Nor was "bilbo baggins."

The Duke repu**tion for vileness is wildly overstated. Haters gullibility seems beyond overstatement.

Dredging up something minor that might have happened in 1965 or pizza boxes 20+ years ago just shows how lame this hate is.

There is plenty enough to say about Duke students, if you want to. As there is about any student body.

But criticism what happens, not fantasy.

BL: Who said it was Duke students in the Steve Kerr case? I thought that was AU's bitter rival - ArizSt.

Duke has long promoted the celebrity status of The Crazies. That renown is "a pancake". It comes with two sides. Much of The Crazies' history is "cute" and Dennis Miller-type of obtuse historical humor.... but there have been the "darker sides".

My opine here is that any "grandmother" crap was very very minor but being exploited by Dook-haters. To be expected in the street-fight world of bitter rivals.
2/9/2013 9:29:56 AM

Thanks for two pieces of Earth-shattering news: Cameron wackos (of the pizza boxes at Lo Charles and "J.R. can't Reid") walked a tightrope of impropriety; and the most paranoid and persecuted fanbase in America has its collective panties in a twist about yet another perceived slight. Next you'll be telling us the sun rises in the east and water is wet... As you often remind us, each school has its bottom feeders and board monkeys. One UNC co-ed made a rather unfortunate comment about Maryland that was caught on audio a few years back as I recall. Sadly, no school is immune to stupidity.

BL: There are only so many fundamental truths so occasional repetition is a given.
2/9/2013 8:59:06 AM

I don't know if any of us are smart enough to understand Duke humor. These kids are on a much higher plane that us regular folk. Or is it a higher plain? I think it is because they actually go to class rather than enroll in shadow classes. Only stupid cheer I can remember was when us Demon Deacons yelled insults at Virginia Tech. I think it was in 1965-66 that we shouted, "Tech can't get in the ACC, Tech can't get in the ACC." Now they are in and beating us senseless and we all hope they will not leave. There is a certain stupidity that goes with youth.........and in my case has grown with age.

BL: In '65 it woulda been "VPI" and Frank Beamer was probably called "Frankie" or "The Beamer".
2/9/2013 8:03:50 AM

It's Duke. Who cares? Ignore them and maybe they'll go back to New Jersey. If you start giving them attention, they may want to stay down here. There's a reason you don't feed stray cats.
Saint Debbie is a good line, but the visual of her in Linda Carter's Wonder Woman costume gave me shivers. Be careful what you write. Ick.

BL: I'm not anti-Frau at all but Maggie Thatcher or Indira Ghandi she ain't. The deterioration of Maryland's student section's behavior during her administration is simply a matter of record.

"On her watch" is The Rule.
2/9/2013 6:45:57 AM

Would not surprise me, considering the horrible comments they have made to our players in the past when tragedies have occurred.

BL: And don't forgot that thug that dropped "the atomic elbow" on "our Tyler". !!
2/8/2013 9:58:49 PM

I disagree with GregT. I liked "The ACC must always have a Tyler". Subtle but effective. Kudo to you.

BL: Actually some of the SaintDebbie stuff was the most fun to do. But as long as all of you like something I'm a happy BobLee.
2/8/2013 9:41:59 PM

Not surprised at column.
Generally agree with most of it.
Had to run errands this PM and the Talk Show hokies, between infomercials for Sherri's (Shari's...whatever) Berries were analyzing the great fiasco of a game....which I will not apologize for. We wuz whupped. They were also lamenting about having to spend hours because of this social phenomen craze.

Now, since none of them heard ain't so. One of them tweeted in the Semi game (UNC v. State) the expletive phrase that Ref Kersey (?) said to Coach Gottfried. Later on, after it went viral, he then sort of, maybe, kinda recanted and refused to do a Depostion for Frau Yow when she was on the warpath. So, it takes many grains of salt to dechipher what this crews says, means, thought they said, really meant, did not say, well maybe said, etc.

Tyler Lewis has now been elevated to the position a new status. He is a potential candidate for Wolfpack Unlimited Status - Point Guard position. Those with the rings for that distinguished honor are none other than Towe, Lowe, and Corchiani (Chris has multiple Unlimited awards). Brown is a Shoe-in, but NONE, but the elite (and maybe Coach Lutz) realized that Tyler was destined for this elite club, possibly in his Sophomore year. In all seriousness, he is the REAL deal. Clean cut, soft spoken, articulate....sort of a Scott Wood with a lower voice.
As to the Chant or maybe the Utterance, Wolfpack fans are elated that Duke is getting the much needed publicity that it so greatly deserves.
The WORLD knows that the Cameron Crazies are capable of such classless behavior, therefore they GLADLY accept that it DID happen. Last night, based on the explosion on Twitter, I was fully convinced. Mark Armstrong's tweets are still there and he has NOT deleted them (like the K lady with her Hillary Butch Gang comment). So, I am just going to believe it DID.
I guess when you light small fires all around the town and people see you and then a whole block goes up, you are "the USUAL" suspect. They wanted this re*****tion, and NOW they have got it...Bully for them.
WRAL's ex anchor (bad ratings, but did not get Saulsby'ed) did a fluff piece on it. Reported that it was a STATE guy that started the Snowball from Cameron. Interviewed all the locals in K-Ville. All were appalled....none were asked if they went to Kappa Sig party or uttered Herro...In the END, he stated that he found NO ONE in K-ville that heard it. Surprise-surprise-surprise. He alse stated that THEIR elite and ethical and socially conscience crew did NOT hear it. So, he DID get Jimmy G's Stamp of Approval on the piece. I recognize that was the one that Mr. Helms told me about that A J used for his editorials. A J is now spinning at terminal velocity in his mauseleum in Montlawn....each day, his RPM goes up like E to the Xth power as Jimmy G plows new liberal turf.
Whether it was or was not will always be remembered.....maybe.
I was THERE (presumably with 100,000 other fans and saw Chris Paul do a Flagrant 5 fowl to the manhood area of Julius Hodge in 2005. Our fans supposedly chanted some ugliness later on to him, but no one remembers THAT. Trivia.....guess what EX NCSU Italian hot rod now coaches Paul....?
The debate will rage. The Dukies, unless Coach K take the mike the next game, will continue to be vile.
FWIW, I watched Duke v. MD. I wholeheartedly agree with their Good Riddance

BL: Not taking my advice about "brevity is the key to effective communication" I see. :-)

How long before a PackPrider will create one tape with "this" PLUS TA's knee not touching the Kenan turf.... and Dudley Bradley hitting Clyde with the tire iron??

Keeping track of all the "wuffs done wrongs" must require a very large staff.

DAMN that John Swofford!
2/8/2013 9:28:25 PM

It's a toss-up..... "whats Mandarin for grandmother?" or "..... don't ask Jim Martin?"

Can I give two gold medals on this one?

BL: I couldn't decide either so I included both. :-)
2/8/2013 8:56:14 PM

I want to come over to your home one day just before you write a column and watch every move you make until it is done. Any charge for that?

BL: And this coming from a "Prince" who has delivered over a 1,000 sermons in 50 years ??? I just get to use more "colorful" language than you do. :-)
2/8/2013 8:39:01 PM

A few years back Steve Kerr of Arizona was heckled with "Beirut" after losing family overseas.

BL: This crap is like "crazy uncles". Every family / school has one in its closet.
2/8/2013 8:13:11 PM

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