Jimmy V - Butch .... and Mary

Sept 1: Comparing The Jim Valvano “Situation” at NC State to the current Butch Davis “Situation” at UNC is ludicrous.  The UNC/Davis situation is nowhere near a conclusion.    A comparison of circumstances, not conclusions.  This exercise will be entertaining; perhaps educational and certainly provocative.

    

Despite hyperbolic projections that it surpasses 9/11 in its devastating impact, the Butch Situation is 90% "developing" as of today.  Rival fans, smelling blood, exaggerate a bit.  The comparison is not of two men but (1) the circumstances of the situations at neighboring bitter rival institutions (2) involving the odd coupling of big time athletics vs legitimate academics as overseen by (3) two high profile coaches.

(We are extending the normal length of our column to give adequate coverage of each situation.)

The V Scandal is 20+ years old.  The historical facts and the hysterical faux-facts are so intertwined that Jimmy V could be Paul Bunyan or Charles Manson depending upon what color-coded path one chooses to follow.  

Jim Valvano came to NC State in 1980 replacing Norm Sloan.  His coaching acumen won a memorable National Championship in 1983.  His contract with NC State was terminated in 1989 citing “inadequate oversight of players’ academic progress”.  He was diagnosed with cancer in 1992 and died in April 1993.

Within and beyond those timelines, Jim Valvano has been demonized and deified to a degree unmatched in the past 30 years of sports in the state of North Carolina.   The controversy surrounding the man and his legacy burns the hottest among the rival NC State and UNC fan bases.  The same fan bases now fully engaged over not dissimilar issues of “athletic academic oversight” under Butch Davis at UNC.

Valvano was charismatic and, to all but bitter rival fans, incredibly likable.  Davis is reserved and viewed as a polite corporate mercenary rather than a fully-engaged enthusiastic loyalist.  Neither Valvano nor Davis are “bad” or “evil” except to overly-caffeinated partisans.  Both men employed a common operational philosophy that is in place at a number of schools today.   It is, obviously, a high-risk philosophy.  

The irony is that V’s trademark comic cleverness led directly to his undoing.  No one word causes acid reflux in a Wolfpacker quicker than “Amphibious”.  Just the word conjures up bitter memories of Charles Shackleford, who along with Chris Washburn in 1988, personified the charges that Jim Valvano was recruiting athletes of marginal academic prowess (!!).

The legend goes that Charles once attributed his adroitness with either hand to his being “amphibious” malappropriately intending to say “ambidextrous”.  Charles Shackleford never said that.  Jimmy V said it ABOUT Charles Shackleford. Further debunking that legend, V did not make that line up either.  As with Dean’s “8,000,000,000 Chinese don’t care”.  The last coach to actually make-up clever lines was either Abe Lemons or Al McGuire.

V’s using the lanky, sloe-eyed Shack as the butt of a “I’m so stoopid that ......” joke emphasized that he quite likely WAS “that stoopid”.   Combine that with Washburn’s notorious 475 SAT score and NC State’s academic reputation took more hits than Chuck Wepner aka “The Bayonne Bleeder”.

With due respect to legend, it was NOT “just one pair of tennis shoes”, recruiting flim flaming, ticket scalping or $100 handshakes that took Jim Valvano down.  It was that he was blatantly recruiting athletes not remotely attuned to the academic expectations of an NC State undergraduate student.

Such a cavalier attitude towards academics is irrelevant at schools that are seen as diploma factories with fog-a-mirror admission standards.  NC State has never been of that gendre.

How seriously Dean Smith recruited Washburn and/or Kevin Madden’s SAT score notwithstanding, V flaunted the unflattering image of his academically deficient players ..... to his ultimate demise. 

Wolfpackers will forever cite three N&O executives for orchestrating a witch-hunt to take down Jim Valvano – Publisher Frank Daniels Jr – Editor Claude Sitton

Vendettas CAN INDEED occur among the rich and powerful,

– Sports Editor Mickey McCarthy.  I can’t speak for/against the motives of any of the three.  Vendettas can occur among the rich and powerful especially when they buy ink by the barrel.

I maintain that the NC State administration – Chancellor Bruce Poulton and the Board of Trustees set Valvano up to be vulnerable thru his own proclivity to “work without a net”.   The dual title of Head Coach and Athletics Director provided no immediate supervisor to rein in his tendency to play fast and loose in his public life.   With the sycophant Poulton as his only upline, Valvano essentially had no boss. 

Were any of his MacGregor Downs inner circle concerned that he was dancing too close to the flames?  Would he have heeded their concerns if they proffered them?  Jim Valvano was riding a post-Albuquerque confidence high ..... from which he fell with a most unfortunate crash.

His subsequent cancer, the well-documented fashion in which that was handled and the resulting legacy of The V Foundation are essential part of The Legend of Jimmy V but not relevance to our purpose here. 
NOTE:  During his gallant fight with cancer, Jim Valvano DID become very quotable with inspirational lines that have become part of the American culture.

I never met Jimmy V but have had enough contact with The V Foundation and his close friends and family to have no negative opinions of the man.  Who among us has not fallen victims to our own liabilities?


Disregard for maintaining the semblance of academic integrity in a high profile intercollegiate athletic program has now percolated to the surface 28 miles west of Raleigh in Chapel Hill. 

Through the early years of this millenium, Butch Davis emerged as one of college football’s Hot Coaches de Jour.   From Dallas’ Super Bowl dynasty, Butch “rebuilt” The U then had a tenuous tenure as an NFL HC.  An aura developed about him in the middle of this decade as “a celebrity get” for colleges looking to chase BCS glory.   UNC orchestrated its firing of John Bunting in 2006 to give it “first dibs” in the Butch Lottery.

Signing a mega-salary in 2006, Davis was commissioned to build a BCS contending football program and given a blank check to do it.  Davis has always been a “assemble the best talent” coach, not a “teach and game plan” coach.  He promptly began recruiting from the exact talent pool being fished by the “football factories”. That pool is notorious for its lack of concern for academic aptitude.  Butch Davis stocked Carolina's FB roster with the 2010 equivalent of Jimmy V’s late 80s “student athletes”.   Assuring them academics at UNC would be as stress-free as "any other football factory”.

EVERY big time college FB or BB program hides “a few” academically challenged players.  In BB, maybe 2-3 at any one time.  In FB maybe 6-8.  UNC had kept within those limits for decades with only the occasional incident. 

more than a few and it becomes "herding cats"...

A “few” can be managed through assigning chaperones for class attendance and finessing a series of non-challenging courses aka "eligibility majors". More than a few and it becomes unweildy, like “herding cats”.  A dozen or more academic time bombs on a roster at any one time and it’s not “if” but “when” the UH OH is going to hit.  “When” was last week in Chapel Hill.

As with Valvano, I don’t consider Butch Davis “a bad guy” at all.  “Butch’s way” would work fine at Arkansas or Auburn or Florida State.  Has any one of higher authority at UNC ever made it perfectly clear to Butch Davis that UNC views itself of a different ilk than those "football schools"?  

Had the UNC academic "birds & bees conversation" ever taken place prior to last Thursday evening?  When and by whom? THAT is the "institutional control" question of the day.  For sure no one ever explained that to John Blake.

The popular line in the SEC is “it ain’t cheating unless you get caught”.  Along with “if you ain’t cheatin’ you don’t want to win bad enough.”

Butch Davis, like Jim Valvano, knew that sheer athletic talent is the best ingredient to shift the winning odds in one’s favor.  Great athletes who are strong students do exist but are increasingly rare.  “OK” athletes who are legitimate students are abundant but winning with them is a crapshoot.  Davis and Valvano both gambled that they could “herd their academic liability cats” while satisfying their fans hunger for lots of Ws. 

Finessing academic eligibility is an art.  The greater the quantity of athletic talent –the better the odds on winning.  The more academic hand grenades - the greater likelihood of a Uh Oh Explosion.

The recent Mary Easley Scandal at NCState had a similar fatal flaw.  There was a level at which Queen Mary’s bogus salary would have stayed under the radar and the politically-based scam would have succeeded.  $180,000 blew up the radar.  BIG Uh Oh - heads rolled.

Could Mary be happily employed today at $75,000?  Could Jimmy V have finessed Washburn OR Shackleford but not both.  Could Butch have herded 6-8 cats, but not 10-15?

Like a waiter grinding pepper over your entree, knowing “when to say when” is the difference between a delicious meal ...... and a really glorious mess.



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Posted: 9/1/2010 9:08:43 PM by BobLee | with 18 comments


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JoeWolf
May I be the first "wuffie" to say that this column is spot on!..... For your next assignment, please write an essay comparing and contrasting John Blake and Tom Abetamarco.
9/1/2010 10:17:57 PM
NotSoFast
Oh, BobLee. Couple of comments about what I just read RE Jimmy V and Butch. One, I believe your article is way too early and ill-based. Comparing JV and BD at this time is apples and coconuts because of point number two. Two, we see here revisionist history at its finest. The NCAA is at UNC doing their thing of their own motivation, for cause. Anything that happens from here out is not of UNC's doing, but out of the NCAA's actions. You and I both know that UNC would not have done anything without the NCAA's visit. Rightly or wrongly, Jimmy V asked the NCAA to come to NC State to investigate the issues, and he made that request quickly. What did the NCAA find? Nothing of significance. The investigator actually made positive remarks about the program and stated that he would not have a problem sending his own son there. The damage to NC State was done by the BOG and the administration...... I ask you, where is the BOG now? Where is the UNC administration now? I do not suggest their responses should be the same, but they should respond. All we have seen is complete silence by the BOG and a sham PC by Holden....... Personally, I do not condone what went on at NC State by Valvano. But to put these two situations in the same argument of rough equivalence is akin to comparing the GWB presidency to the BO presidency. GWB bumbled in a lot of ways and created its own trouble many times. But was it bad? And we are looking at it in hindsight. But BO? Lots of smoke and mirrors here, with the expected strategies to deflect criticism, and the story isn't over....... Let's wait and see what happens here before lumping those two in the same basket. For all we know, the NCAA might come back and say all is fine. I don't believe that will happen, but I ain't going to start pontificating before anything definitive happens. I would hope you wouldn't do that.
9/1/2010 10:40:14 PM
TriadWolf
I might would quibble with you a little bit over some of the points in this comparison...I would be obligated to toss out some objections, it's my job, I'm a State guy ! :-).......Otherwise, you made some very good points..... As much as your point that Jimmy V was pretty much unaccountable is true, I really believe his greatest undoing was that he hungered to do more, and more, and more....and fully believed he could. I don't think he could see ( or would see ) that he was putting too much on his plate...He really thought he could eat it all. .....And yeah, I loved him !
9/2/2010 6:33:00 AM
JDanWuff
BobLee, Old buddy, you can hide out in my den if the Wuffoons and Caroquacks get after you with torches and pitch forks. A voice of reason and intelligent prose in this medium is like a rose petal in slit tranch latrine. You keep making reasonable, intuitive commentary and both sides will declare you "the Great Satan" and "Son of Coach K". This is a very well concieved and presented article that just happens to be true. Guns up, heads down.
9/2/2010 7:57:14 AM
Heel93
The column is fair except the Kevin Madden mention is uncalled for. Kevin may not have been a Rhodes Scholar but he was a high-character kid who cared about his education. He came back to school in the summer for many years after his eligibility had expired to pursue his degree. I don't think Washburn made any such effort. If you felt you needed a UNC basketballer's name to drop here, Rozier may have been a good choice. ALL schools take athletes who are academic risks and many of them work out well. Waddell and Pollock were UNCs "prop 48" admissions and they both graduated and earned an additional year of eligibility and I don't think they cheated their way there. I can live with extending scholarship to some academic risks but only those with high character. Bunting made too many terrible character choices (both in players and in assistant coaches) early in his career and it killed him. Of course Coach Smith/Coach Williams and Coach K take kids who are academic risks but the kids are mostly of high character and it usually works out for everyone.
9/2/2010 8:26:07 AM
BobLee
Heel93: the reference to Madden is that he is the traditional retort when Washburn's SAT is mentioned. ..... JDan: no incoming artillery from either side YET but the day is young. BLS subscribers tend to be objective. When the column get linked on "a board" the activity will heat up.
9/2/2010 9:16:11 AM
JayHeel
Your assessment is right, of course. But I still can't shake the notion that schools - all schools - face reality. There are some kids who want nothing more than to use a college program as a stepping stone to the pros. ..... Why not let them play college ball for a couple of years and while they are there teach them things they will need to know, such as how to handle money, how to deal with agents, etc. Why do we continue to kid ourselves that the "one-and done's" are "student-athletes"?......After all, there is no guarantee that an accounting major will land a big-time job, either. If a kid wants to declare his "major" to be pro sports and take his chances, could the schools not accommodate that? Just my $.02
9/2/2010 9:21:35 AM
BobLee
Jay: I totally agree. Put the academic liabilities on a special "Life Skills" track to fill in the blanks left by little/no worthwhile public education. I fear the faculty snoots would be appalled at such an admission. All the more reason to do it.
9/2/2010 9:24:03 AM
LongTimeWolf
BobLee, I am a proud member of NCSU and I did not feel sorry for Jimmy V and I don’t feel sorry for BD or Jb. I do feel sorry for the players who have given there all , busted their butts in practice and the library or computer lab. They are the victims....... I would say we as “Fans” are victims but we are the ones putting pressure on the Coach & team to win, some of us at all cost. My concern is how this has and will have an immediate effect on our young people. We are not setting a very good example for them to follow....... Be it NCSU, UNC, Duke, WF, or ECU; violations in the classroom, on or off the field must be dealt with, clean house set specific guidelines for all (BoG, President, Chancellors, Professors, Coaches, Student Athletes to follow. It want happen but I can dream can’t I?
9/2/2010 2:49:32 PM
Boots
Enjoyed the column. So glad we decided to stay in NC this weekend and watch it unfold within a 15 step distance to the refrig and the head..... Just wanted to include Dale Earnhard's cheatin' quote. "If you ain't cheatin', you ain't even tryin'"
9/2/2010 6:50:54 PM
NCSU68Grad
Bob Lee, Enjoy your comments.....Can't remember (CRS) my "screen name" on one of your columns, but you and I occassionally email and I knew a much younger Jimmy P...... You make a lot of valid points. I can't disagree that Jimmy V. lost sight of his mission. I think that Jimmy V. was actually one of the few folks that I know who WERE both LUCKY and SMART. Lucky from the standpoint that he inherited some talent, not great....but Thurl did have a long and prosperous NBA career. He was able to take that crew, motivate them, be "one" of them, let them have a little fun, and then MESMERIZE them. He was the ultimate motivator (salesman). I have listened to him in person and his ability to ad lib is unsurpassed...and I have listened to a lot of comedians, columnists and humorists. His audio book, "They gave me a Lifetime.....Dead" is a masterpiece.......I have it on CD and MP3. I used some of his motivational speeches on my own BBQ circuit...... He was REALLY SMART. He knew how Motivate and take advantage of a situation. He was ALSO a great "bench" coach....which came from his days of JV coaching. He used whatever means (the line to the media about holding the ball against Houston) to win......YES, he was an overachiever. He wanted success and money and fame and to leave a legacy for his family. He lost sight of what he was trying to accomplish, and got caught up in one of his own motivational speeches. The "dream room" at NCSU was pure genius....but the NCAA did not see the genius in it......I followed Jimmy V.'s trials and tribulations. Maybe it was the fact that we were the same age. Maybe there were personality traits the same. Maybe the joy that he and the 1983 team brought to my kids and our NCSU family....Don't know...it happened.....SO, he got in over his head. Terry Gannon summed it up...he said that eventually he would be able to watch an afternoon cartoon show without a Jimmy V. commercial. And Gannon idolized him....look at him today...... SO....although you touched on the salient points about Jimmy V., there is ONE thing that came out of the 1983 victory and the 1989 witch hunt that several folks agree on......The atitude of certain of your fellow alumni and the N&O probably did MORE to polarize the relationship between UNC and NCSU than all the inter-rivalries OVER the past 60 years......I do NOT remember EVER thinking, "I do NOT want to wear that light blue shirt....someone MIGHT mistake me for a UNC fan.." mentality UNTIL after 1990. My wife has noticed this also. The intensity of the rivalry ramped up when Norm's teams beat UNC....and it was fun...... However, after 1990, the situation deteriorated. I am NOT laying all the blame 28 miles from the haloed halls of NCSU. We reacted to the witch hunt and the resulting comments from our chief rival and it tainted us......The old jabs (Fill in the blank with any Washburn or Shackleford or McQueen comment) now bring back painful memories...... Thus, as you put it, "Term Papers will replace Sneakers for the next 25 years.." is starting to give us "closure". So, the Butch situation will have to play out. Actually, he does not seem like such a bad guy. He has had a brush with his own mortality. He now looks a little "shell shocked" and I hope that the stress that will invariably come will not trigger an outbreak of his remissive cancer. NO ONE WANTS HIS HEALTH TO BE RUINED OR WORSE. ..... What is wanted, by this fan, is for all the years of hearing the jabs GO AWAY. Lets talk about the real competitions.....Keep on writing. You too, can seek safe haven in my "undisclosed location" if your fellow OC residents become too hostile.
9/2/2010 8:58:16 PM
BobLee
Thanks NCSU68: My apologies that the comment format does not permit paragraph breaks. ..... You realize I was not intending to do The Jimmy V Story but rather a comparison of the two situations..... I will leave the in-depth material to those who lived it directly. ...... V and Butch were quite different types of men, but the similarity of the academic issues is the tie. ..... The V witchhunt and aftermath were unprecedented for "the rivalry". That it included V's tragic death only makes it more unprecedented...... I appreciate the current reaction of certain faction of the State fan base to UNC's glorious mess. Had "the Internet" existed in 1990 I'm sure it would have been ablaze with that incident...... UNC fans DO NOT "do embarrassed" or "Humble" very well. "Humility" is not a course ever offered on the UNC campus. The current dose of humble castor oil being rammed down the UNC throats has no "spoonful of sugar with it"....... MOST UNCers will survive this, I hope !!! :>)
9/2/2010 9:18:19 PM
tvass
Identity of Stripper's Daddy Uncovered Asked Friday if Davis' job was in jeopardy, athletic director Dick Baddour said: "No." Why not? "I think he's a strong leader. I think he's doing a tremendous job with the program, and we have to address these issues, and we will."
9/4/2010 7:29:14 AM
JimHeel
Your article, Jimmy V - Butch .... and Mary, is one of your best. Big time college athletics are not on their way to hell in a hand basket---they are already there..... .... A correction, you have Washburn's SAT score as 475. SAT scores are multiples of 10 starting with 200 for both verbal and math. Washburn's SAT reported score was 470. ..... Let's give Chris a break.
9/4/2010 12:11:02 PM
tvass
"You're Doing A Great Job Brownie." I dunno about your friend Holden, BobLee I listened to him on the radio last night before the game and he sounded more and more like the guy who said after Katrina, "You're Doing A Great Job Brownie." In this case, Brownie was sitting right next to him and was slobbering all over Holden during the radio interview. When is it in this sorry event that someone steps up to protect the heritage and legacy of UNC?
9/5/2010 8:11:04 AM
BobLee
Thanks tv .... you just gave me the closing line for my next column. Should be up by noon on Sunday.
9/5/2010 8:13:43 AM
JW
Bob Lee, You are a very smart guy but do you really think that these Carolina football players are more academically challenged than those that played for Mack Brown, John Bunting, Steve Spurrier, Dabo Sweeney or Tom Obrien?
9/8/2010 3:13:58 PM
BobLee
EXCELLENT question. Its a matter of "how many" loose cannons at any one time relative to the institution's capacity to hide them. Carolina has always had a handful of "hard cases" both in terms of erratic behavior and academically "challenged". ...... ...... a "few" can be finessed but there is a critical mass where they overflow the cage. We MAY have hit that point now .... it looks that way. .... ..... I use Lane Kiffin's line - "Angels don't play Football so we don't recruit angels."
9/8/2010 3:22:21 PM
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