The Chancellor and the putz and the horn dog and....



The Chancellor and the putz and the horn dog and....

..... Sept 18, '12:  
Holden Thorp, and his wife Patti, have been personal friends of mine for 5+ years thru thick and thin and lots of yucky sludge.  I’ve never been “friends” with a for-real chancellor before.  I have no frame of reference to say if being friends with a chancellor is always as bumpy a ride as the past 2+ years with Holden have been.  

Times abeing what they are I assume “friends with a chancellor” is not unlike being friends with a public school superintendent or a major college FB or BkB coach who has lost 2-3 games in a row.  In other words one has the “Peter In The Garden” Option – Sure, I could deny my friendship three times before the cock crows if I want to.  I don’t want to.

Holden’s announcement yesterday that he will step down as UNC Chancellor effective next June is, in my opinion, the best possible solution for all concerned.  No, I was not part of the war room council that arrived at that solution.  Actually there was no war room council.  

Holden came to that decision and informed the appropriate parties on Sunday.  It is my understanding from a brief chat with one of those parties that they did indeed try, unsuccessfully, to change his mind.

Sunday afternoon Blondie and I were discussing WSHD (What Should Holden Do) and I described EXACTLY the scenario that is now in place.  It is thru such happenstance that legend status thrives.  Her expression Monday when the announcement was made was akin to “Kid’s” at age three when I played “got your nose”.   As a daddy and husband (and Internet provocateur) I’d much rather be lucky than smart any time.    

Holden Thorp for all his CEO naivete and for all his misplaced trust, and for all his zigs when he shoulda zagged deserves better that the crown of thorns he wears now.  But such is Real Life in the high profile / high stakes biz of public university chancelloring.   “Fair” is a day in June and a maiden’s smile.

I say “deserves better” because it was never his intention to perpetrate malfeasance, to deceive, to run a scam, et al.  Yes, those things happened and they happened “on his watch” and he now accepts the consequences of being UNC’s Chancellor whilest they were uncovered. I am a firm believer in “watch” accountability.  The Good, the Bad, the Ugly..... if they occur “on your watch” it goes on your ledger.  The Ledger of Holden Thorp’s Chancellorship will forever reflect that.

Holden trusted two individuals – Dickie Baddour and Matt Kupec.  The former was a complete and utter “putz”.   The latter fell victim to man’s most diabolical malady.  To quote history's most famous Julius ---- "et tu Dickie .... et tu Matt?"

That Holden inherited a complete & utter putz as his AD is not his fault.  That he failed to realize his AD was a complete & utter putz IS poor judgement as a CEO.  Lord knows enough people tried to tell him including yours truly.

That Holden tried to finesse the Matt & Tami Mess was also poor CEO  judgement.   That was a guaranteed train wreck the moment “that woman” was put on the UNC payroll.  Holden and Matt are big boys and shoulda each known better in their respective roles.  FWIW, I never got involved in that one.

In the public university chancelloring version of Russian Roulette its, at most, one empty cylinder and five hollow points.  Holden mighta hit the empty cylinder with either the putz or the horn dog but no way he was going to survive both.

(I suppose “the putz or the horn dog” is going to be THE line out of this)

I do believe if “a Bubba Cunningham” had been brought in as AD three years ago he woulda quickly figured out the scam that Julius & Deborah were running in cahoots with yet-unnamed folks on the athletic academic support staff.   “A Bubba” would shut down the other flim flams that Butch/Blake had in place.  But UNC had the putz, not Bubba, and here we are. ...... ahhhh what mighta been.

Blame the media ?  Nope.  Dealing with a hostile media is a key skill in big boy chancelloring.  Again, Holden did not get the best of advice in media relations and/or chose to create an adversarial relationship early on.  Having good advisors and a spider sense of how to best incorporate their advice separates current chancellors from former chancellors.

Blame rival fans ?  Nope.  There is no Geneva Convention in sports rival warfare.  (the 2nd best line in this?) We'da done it to them if the situation had been reversed.... and if it ever is I guarantee you "we" will.  It is a very silly blood sport but it IS a blood sport.  

Blame the blood-thirsty lynch mob ?  Nope again.  If a big boy chancellor cannot navigate thru a scraggly buncha cross-eyed maggots on the Internet he’d best retire to the chemistry lab.  

Every chancellor, every coach, every AD, every public official, every politician HAS to deal with “the Internet mob”.  Sure, 92% of that raging rabble are the clods you don’t make eye contact with on elevators..... the low-achieving loser bottom-feeders in Life’s trough.  But its 2012 and they all have Wi-Fi and a keyboard.  There are plenty of anonymous mosh pit soap boxes such sad souls can use to rage into the cyber mist.   Is it “fair”?  Refer to definition of “fair” above.

My friends, Holden & Patti Thorp will, in time, be just fine.  They will return to just being “The Thorps” in a nice upscale Chapelboro neighborhood.   Yes, there will be stage whispers and gossipy neighbors just as there will always be Internet vermin and dung beetles.

UNC will now set about cleaning up “its brand” whatever that means.  If there is more crap to float to the top, it will float to the top and be dealt with in some fashion.  Despite the sneers from the peanuts in the gallery, the “value of a UNC diploma” is no more or less than it ever was whatever that stoopid phrase means.  UNC will continue to receive far more applications than it can accept.  It will continue to graduate scholars and lots of just regular kids.   Franklin Street remains “quaint” and a % of the alumni / fans will be as arrogant as they ever were (refer back to that line about dung beetles, etc).

And, of course, while a few might actually have heard about all this...... 99.76% of those 8,000,000,000 Chinese still don’t care.

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“The Search for The Next Chancellor” and all that that means must wait for another day.

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Posted: September 17, 2012 at 1:04 PM by SaidWHATMedia | with 37 comments
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fayettewuf
Pass if you like, but the overwhelming majority of posts on the Roy and his tumor thread express the same sort of attitude that you say you have: basketball is a game, rivalries are fun, cancer is real life. There are a couple of juvenile responses but most, almost all wish him the best.

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BL: I'm certain thats the case. No difference in our bottom-feeders.
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9/20/2012 2:29:10 PM

The Cowdog
BobLee, please excuse me...

Dr Wire, I have no idea what PP is saying, but I can assure you that the picture suggested is patently untrue with nearly every walking, talking, man, woman, and child, sporting red and white.

1%rs come in all forms.

Sorry, BL

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BL: "that element" belongs to no one.
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9/20/2012 11:43:49 AM

thailand
Chok dee khrap!.....Get well Roy! Pack (no) Pride is a very ugly place....Don't know why I dipped my toe into that obscene swill a few moments ago.....They really are monkey boards.....Roy will be outside the Smith Center passing out doughnuts before you know it......


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BL: As noted earlier.... "that bunch" belongs to no one. Just human trash.
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9/20/2012 9:44:15 AM

Dr Wire
The PP thread on Roy's surgery is very supportive of his recovery which is good to see.

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BL: Good to know!
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9/20/2012 9:43:09 AM

ncsu1987
Hey, Bobby: Love seeing the groundswell of support for HT in recent news. Any chance he'll reconsider? Seems to me that a chancellor who offered to resign but was then convinced to stay via groundswell of support could claim a great deal of political capital. Might be an excellent opportunity to take some actions that would otherwise be impossible...?

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BL: There some interesting human nature elements in play now.
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9/20/2012 8:41:27 AM

Dr Wire
Off topic, but suggest you review the Pack Pride threads from your self-proclaimed Cliff Clavin's concerning the news about Roy's kidney surgery. It puts it all in perspective about the human condition.

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BL: I'll pass but I can only imagine. :-(
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9/20/2012 1:12:38 AM

wufdon
As Agent P has said several times in another forum....there needs to be much more light shown on the insidous activities of the BOT3 to include a public accounting of their behind the scenes shenanigans.....

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BL: You KNOW I'm all for that - drag out The BOT3 and their toadie - "the putz".
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9/19/2012 10:31:49 AM

The Hammer
I just cannot believe the chancellor did not know what was going on in a major department that was attracting a large number of athletes who happened to be pulling down A's and B's in said department while failing most of their other courses. Explain that to me.

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BL: How many students are taking how many classes under how many teachers on a campus of 25,000 undergraduates. The "should have known" admin was "Dickie the putz" who had only several 100s students to monitor.

HT had DB in place to alert him to such unusual situations. THAT system failed as I have noted.
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9/19/2012 6:57:56 AM

fayettewuf
Everyone 'knows' what Thorp should have done. He should have walked into his office first day, fired Butch, and then put his briefcase down and fired Baddour. Obviously he should have informed Matt that he should not be confusing the inter-office computer system with eHarmony.com. Well that sounds good, except that firing Butch would have antagonized the board of trustees. An inexperienced chancellor does not do that. Baddour had been there for years. An inexperienced chancellor does not fire a long time employee without a really good case unless he does not care about making enemies. Beats me how he let the Matt situation develop, though.
Bet he will be healthier and happier in the long run not being chancellor.

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BL: Yes on all points!
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9/18/2012 10:23:27 PM

oldwuf vet
Hope HT has a long career as a chemistry professor at UNC. I am familiar with his achievements. He is a legitimate academic all-star. I would be proud for my "Kid" to be his student.

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BL: I believe his ego can adjust to the move just fine.
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9/18/2012 9:57:26 PM

WTRoberts
Or maybe a "flip-flop" would show he's no quitter and one day, just maybe, he will be able to look back and take great satisfaction knowing he stuck it out and lead our University thru a very tough situation?

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BL: That's a possibility too.
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9/18/2012 7:26:00 PM

Pack78
Hope you Heels get a replacement that is only a pale imitation of our Randy Woodson (LOL). Sometimes these scandal winds can blow some good-the Mary Easley mess in Raleigh ultimately resulted in serious upgrades in Woodson and AD Debbie Yow.

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BL: Better or worse but rarely / never stay the same. Bubba & Fedora seem to be good'uns so maybe we're on a roll ??
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9/18/2012 5:56:20 PM

AgentPiercetheElder
Dickie's exit parade still pisses me off...

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BL: And forever and ever it shall.
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9/18/2012 4:49:04 PM

58 Wolf Kennel
BL, what a tough, tough article to write. Hard to put much humor in when the heart strings are attached. Chancellor Thorp is a good man but appearing naive and incapable of bucking long-standing tradition. Your writing needs to add two additional characters beyond putz and horn dog. That would be "power" and "pride". "Power" is the BOT and their manipulation of money, lawyers, and arrogance. "Pride" is the Basketball program which I believe established the norm many years ago. How Chancellor Thorp deals with these two remaining issues over the next 8 months will test the good man Thorp even more. I felt the same way about Chancellor Monteith (the only person who never had a honeymoon) and Chancelor Oblinger (who did the right thing out of embarrassment). Still a most interesting rest of the year. I wish Chancellor Thorp only the best!

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BL: The BOT are not the ultimate evil that "the mob" has described. There ARE "fat cats" with selfish motives in this mix but not necessarily on the BOT or BOG.... not any more!
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9/18/2012 4:30:03 PM

Bub
19,200,000 Chinese care?
I doubt it.

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BL: Shanghai has a very active Alumni Chapter.
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9/18/2012 3:52:57 PM

BullCityBeth
Hi BL-
I can’t seem to get my comments to go through on the website, so I am sending you a note. Please let HT know that brother and I wish him all the best in the future in whatever he does.

Brother and I were both disappointed that it has turned out this way, he is too nice of a guy for something like this to be happening to him, but such is life.

My best to you and mizzus always-
beth

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BL: Not the first "good people" to endure "bad things". :-(
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9/18/2012 3:51:04 PM

OldBeau
"There is no Geneva Convention in sports' rival warfare".... truer words never written.

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BL: No quarter asked. No quarter given.
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9/18/2012 3:33:13 PM

AnUncleMott'sBoy
Don’t take any great pleasure in seeing anyone lose their job, and Holden Thorp is by all accounts a decent man. I do think what we are seeing at UNC is a hangover from the Tony Rand/Basnight et al cabal that has been in place over there for the past umpteen years. Baddour is the perfect example of what those folks value- loyalty over competence.

Pretty sure Holden is plenty capable, but at 43, how competent is anyone to be the chancellor at UNC? Maybe this sets us on a course of institutional examination. Maybe not.

State certainly seems better off in the Woodson era than the Monteith era. We can hope for the same.

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BL: While I concur, that line of reasoning is not likely to emanate from South Bldg.
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9/18/2012 3:29:11 PM

DrJay
Knowing Thorp as you obviously do, do you see any possibility that he would succumb to the
wishes of those who want him to stay and reconsider his decision?
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BL: "Any possibility" ? I suppose there is an "any" but I'd be quite surprised. To do a flip-flop would only further damage his image.
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9/18/2012 3:01:26 PM

Monroe
John Greenleaf Whittier said it best, “For all sad words of tongue and pen, the saddest are these, it might have been...”

A good man that rose before his scar tissue formed...naïve, trusting without verifying, and the possessor of a good heart...as such, the sharks did what they always do, they ate him.

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BL: Sharks do what sharks do..... :-(
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9/18/2012 2:56:11 PM

anotherpackfan
"The evil that men do lives after them; The good is oft interred with their bones"

I for one hope Thorp can prove Shakespeare wrong and have a nice, long career after this "unpleasantness".

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BL: Adversity does not build character, it reveals it.
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9/18/2012 1:41:51 PM

bob dixon
Since I am someone looking into the window from the outside seems to me your posting likely got this situation right. I am sad for HT who seems to be a nice fellow caught in a mess, but I kept wondering all along why he did not get his broom out early on and seize the moment to clean out some problems. Most managers know you get some leeway early and not late in your tenure. But I suppose that is how guvmint works. Since there appears to be a changing of the guard in Raleigh this Nov. beyond what already has happened the real fun begins when the new chancellor is being selected and from my perch this is going to be a real spectator sport.

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BL: Toss bureaucrats, politicians and academicians all in one gunny sack and it is a hoot for the ages.
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9/18/2012 12:28:57 PM

NCSU68Grad
BL...is there some way that you can "isolate" the OLD comments before the revised BL piece? Anyway, here is my $2's worth (obviously inflation has taken it's toll). I agree with what you have written. I trust your opinion and you are much closer to the inside scoop than I am. However, I feel that being an astute observer and reading all the published "stuff" which can be verified also does give one the justification to develop an "informed opinion". I have had leaders in the past that were of the HT venue. They were rarely successful in that they were not ruthless enough to succeed. It takes a very special talent to be strong in your beliefs and also to navigate the treacherous waters of the many seas that you must conquer to find the promised land. You need to have all sorts of qualities and just being a dudley do right or the man in the yellow hat is not enough. SO, I think that HT will drop out of site. He needs some time to recover. He will always question WHAT went wrong, but he needs to focus on what to do with the REST of his life and what he wants his mark to be. Jimmy V., unfortunately had to learn that....we remember (or should) him for what his legacy is in conquering cancer and his never, ever give up attitude more than we do for the 1983 NCAA championship...although some of the attributes that lead to that are present in the V-Foundation and the ESPN awards named after him.

NOW, having said that....I read with interest this morning that the UNC Faculty is going to make an END RUN (I think that Barry Saunders described an END RUN PLAY recently) to get him to reconsider. He should sic the dogs on them. I wonder if THEY are now fearful of the goals of the soon to be NEW leader. God forbid he will actually want to set NEW and ETHICAL standards for both the Academians and the Athletic Supporters. This is NOT to say that Holden Thorp sullied the re*****tion of the Academians....but he was NOT in control of the situation. So the NEW Sheriff might just take names and kick posteriors and NOT be beholden to the bosses on EACH side of the street. What a DILEMNA...I really, as a Die Hard Wuffie hope that St. Monteith can be cloned and end up at UNC and bring in Todd Turner. However, that would be vindictive....I really, in all sincerity, hope that a Dr. Randy Woodson person can be found. That would be best for UNC....

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BL: I believe "The Randy Model" WILL be used in the search.
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9/18/2012 11:41:41 AM

Dr Wire
Thx for the summation and full disclosure. In our "what have you done for me lately" culture, HT's legacy as Chancellor will be remembered for what he does during his lame duck, tenured invincibility as much as his smart move on Butch when the BOT3 had left town and his inability to see the forest for the trees concerning his Vice Chancellor and AFAM Dept head. Time will tell if he will touch the 3rd rail of athletic revenue and leave his successor with clean wind in the sails of the college whose name shall not be mentioned in the same radio waves as Rush Limbaugh's.

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BL: He is "playing with house money" now so we'll see.
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9/18/2012 11:30:10 AM

DocHeelfire
An unfortunate ending to a fairy tale of a career thus far. I have supported Dr. Thorp and was hoping against hope that he would somehow pull through this but a man can only take so may hits to the head before he finally succumbs. Holden could never get out in front of any of the storms that kept coming his way. For all his foibles, he never pulled a Gordon Gee "I hope the football coach doesn't fire me" moment...

Thorp gets a pass for AFAM - the seeds of that sham were sewn when he was an undergrad. He also gets a pass for the Butcher mess, as he clearly inherited that as well as Dickie. Thorp would not be the first university leader to be out of his element in the sometimes slimy world of big-time college athletics. But I do lay the Matt and Tami soap opera clearly at his feet as he shoulda known better and will have to eat that one on his own...

By all accounts, when it comes to the day-to-day administration of the university, Thorp has done a fine job. But the combined crap-storm that has befallen UNC and Holden would require more than the tactical skill of MacArthur, the media savvy of a Clinton, and the intestinal fortitude of Hercules. Who can fault someone for not living up to that? He clearly made missteps, as he admitted. But he is an honorable person and always did what he thought was best, including stepping down.

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BL: You got that right. Very good appraisal.
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9/18/2012 10:43:06 AM

Downeaster
Too bad Holden has learned nothing from the President. He should have blamed Moeser for everything and then asked for four more years.

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BL: oooooh, I LIKE that idea A LOT!
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9/18/2012 7:52:39 AM

Eric
Holden had a little lamb...
He tied it to a parking meter...
Every time Jenny paid a ticket...
The lamb gave her the peter...

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BL: OK.
9/17/2012 11:50:12 PM

Dr Wire
Academics is one of the few careers where you can yell "no mas" then are allowed to take your old job back as if nothing happened except your back pocket gets thicker.

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BL: Yes, tenure is a very strange animal indeed. "Working for the guvmint" carries similar privileges.
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9/17/2012 10:55:58 PM

Walt-in-Durham
Not happy Bobby. But, I have been right about Thorp for a long time.

Walt-in-Durham

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BL: We are all entitled to our opinions Walt. And "it's the Internet where EVERYONE is always right."
9/17/2012 8:47:03 PM

JDanWuff
There is probably unmeasured joy over at the Tar Pit as that collection of drag knuckles have finally received vindication for the "way Thorp treated Beloved Butch the Innocent".
HT was the perfect dupe for BOTBob and his Cabal. It's sad that it has to end in this manner as Holden will carry the blame on his shoulders that he didn't commit, excepting the Tami Loves Matt Mess.
Best of luck to him in his return to the classroom.
The replacement should be someone from the outside for the appearance of propriety, but I don't see that happening.

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BL: Not sure that won't be the case.

AS for the lunatic fringe at InsCaro they are like their counterparts at PPride.... never happy, always angry - its who they are. Its how they will always be.
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9/17/2012 8:05:49 PM

MattN
Well, we knew it was going to end like this. It HAD to, there was no other way. Once his DNA was discovered all over the Tami Hansborough incident, the outcome was defined. Shame, his only crime was being naiive and trusting those under him to perform their duties in a profesional and ethical manner. A mistake I doubt he'll ever make again...

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BL: Chancellor for a high profile public univ is a very perilous job. Yes, he trusted people unworthy of that trust.
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9/17/2012 7:43:09 PM

Walt-in-Durham
Kupec was not just a Vice Chancellor. He was not just a direct report. He was Thorp's closest direct report in administration. Thorp approved the Tami Hansbrough runaround of the nepotism rule. The latest in a series failures of the Throp ethical compass. It's good to see him go.

I hope the University conducts a search for someone outside the UNC orbit to be the next chancellor.

Walt-in-Durham

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BL: Glad you are happy Walt.
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9/17/2012 7:25:31 PM

The Mailman
BL,

The Postman always rings twice or so it goes. Holden couldn't wait for the third bell to ring.
Dabney Hall welcomes Dr. Thorp back with open arms. A good chemistry prof is hard to find.

Cheers,

Cliff

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BL: Close enough to the Truth.
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9/17/2012 6:32:17 PM

ncsu1987
From the smell test, this looks like HT getting out on his timetable, not UNC's, but I'm speculating, and you (BL) know the man much better than I.

From all appearances, he is simply a good, well-intentioned man who got into a bad, bad situation. A situation for which he is NOT to blame, but one for which he was supremely unprepared.

Best of luck to him in his next endeavor.

And UNC will NEVER hire their version of Monteith. Never. Will. Happen.

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BL: Very close to the true picture.
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9/17/2012 6:32:11 PM

Jack
Three likely scenarios.

1 - He got tired of dealing with it, felt that he had become a distraction and a source of bad publicity, and decided to get out. This is, on the surface, what it sounds like, and it's entirely possible that it's what really happened.

2 - He was pushed out as a "sacrificial lamb" to get the media to leave UNC alone. I've been waiting for this to happen for a while and would not be surprised if this is the true dynamic.

3 - There is something we don't know yet that will come out sooner or later that would make Thorp staying impossible.

It could be a mix of those reasons, but as far as which is the primary reason, I will set the odds at 40% for #1, 40% for #2 and 20% for #3.

It will be very telling whether UNC replaces him with a Monteith. They had no interest in that frame of mind last year when they hired Bubba as AD.

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BL: 80%+ for #1 .... as to "next" that is too early to speculate.
9/17/2012 4:36:15 PM

fayettewuf
Thorp seems like an academic that was at the wrong place at the wrong time. From all accounts he would made a fine captain for the 'flagship' in smooth to moderate conditions. Who could have foreseen Hurricane Marvin and the waves he generated? Dr. Thorp will probably have the same attitude that James Buchanan had on leaving office in 1860.

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BL: EXCELLENT synopsis of what happened. Good man at a very very crazy bad time.
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9/17/2012 2:11:32 PM

NCSU68Grad
Holy Hordes of Huns in Hooville....Holden has taken the noble way out. In all seriousness, the Vote of Confidence last Friday by the BOG was telling. To the folks that are cheering (and I don't know how large a following that would be here), I only offer one piece of sage advice. This comes from MANY regime changes...BE CAREFUL AS TO WHAT YOU WISH FOR. I can not count the times where the peons and middle management would lambast the execs and wish for a NEW VP, Prez, Director, etc. THEN when one came in, there was all the high fiving and happiness. Less than 6 months later, most were wishing for the OLD GUY (Gal). So, if UNC follows the State game plan, a NEW Chancellor will be brought in to "FIX THE MESS". That person will make Atilla the Hun look like a sunday school teacher. That individual will be a SUPER St. MONTEITH, with powers that no one imagined. Ole Roy's TWO RINGS will not ward off the evil spirit. There may be even talk of renaming the venerable arena where the lads in light blue have hung the spoils of victory. The Blue Clad BM (Clavins if you must) should check the credentials of the new leader. If he has EVER, EVER been an associate of an associate of St. Monteith or has a bust of St. M on the dash of his all electric vehicle or his bike handle bars.....the JIG is up....

WOW....who woulda thought.....but the handwriting was on the wall and even Paul Simon, with his lack of formal education, could read it...

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BL: The skies will eventually clear. The Thorp Family will be fine. UNC will be fine.

And the very angry mob rabble will find something else to hate.... its who "they" are and its what they do.
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