".... and know when to fold'em!"



"....and know when to fold’em."

...... Sept 27, ’12: 
I’ve long used a poker game to illustrate an academic institution’s decision to “be competitive” at the BCS / Final Four level of Big Time College Sports.  A seat at the BCS Poker table requires a hefty ante and a steely-eyed commitment to do what it takes to do what we say we intend to do.  Today, lame-duck Chancellor Holden Thorp has folded UNC’s hand and pushed away from that high stakes game with "the Big Dogs".  The applaudin’. and the cussin’, has commenced......  

I had a great column about replacement refs.... but, as so often happens, "news out of Chapel Hill" takes the cake.     

I’m fine with Holden’s announcement Thursday that UNC will be significantly upgrading its admission standards for “student-athletes”.  But I ain't a CliffClavin.

And lets get something straight – unlike former AD “Dickie The Putz” – when Holden is talking about these student-athletes he is talking about football and men’s basketball.    No one cares, or ever did care, about some fencer or field hockey girl that made a 4.0 or some rigged up “graduation rate” that counted Roy’s “biscuit boys”.   The “biscuit boys” have always had two purposes – (1) provide comic relief at the end of blow-outs and (2) jack up the team GPA.

ALL discussion of student-athlete “issues” at UNC concern Football and Men’s Basketball.

Here are Holden’s comments – CLICK

If it sounds like maybe he’s been reading my columns when he talks about “trusting the wrong people” well.... if it quacks like a duck..... ☺

The revelation that there were 53 admission exceptions during The Reign of Butcher can also be read as – “during years 3 and 4 of The Butcher, HALF the team were admitted thru a side door.”  If you only count the traveling squad that got their unis dirty on Saturday, the % is well over 80%. 

For those naive Kool-Aid drinkers that convinced themselves that “maybe 3-4 at most and they had learning disabilities and were otherwise really good kids blah blah blah .....”.   Reality can be a real bitch.

Butch (and Blake) were able to recruit toe-to-toe with the SEC because he was using SEC admission standards.   If Butch’s final roster (2010) had been available, he had amassed enough SEC-level athletes to be a legitimate Top Ten team.  But Marvin tweeted in Spring of 2010 and Jennifer did whatever Jennifer did.... and parking tickets and plagiarized papers and.... and.... and that roster was gutted.  Prior to Marvin tweeting, Butch Davis had done exactly what he told the BOT3 he could do.

When the BOT3 was in that Chicago hotel suite going gaga over Butchie’s Super Bowl rings, ya think they talked about “HALF THE FREAKIN’ TEAM will be below UNC’s minimum admission standards.”   Ask Bob Winston or Paul Fulton if that was in those 3-ring binders that Butchie showed them - “How I Will Make (your school) A Top Ten BCS Program”.  

If Carolina does away with or significantly reduces its admission exceptions for football and men’s basketball it cannot be competitive at the top echelon of Big Time College Sports PERIOD.

With creative out-of-conference scheduling, Carolina can consistently win 7-8 games each year with the occasional 6 or 9 Ws.  Kenan will host plenty of exciting games with hated rivals.  But don't get all excited about that championship playoff yadda yadda. Christmases In Shreveport are still possible but NOT New Years on South Beach or Bourbon Street.  Both South Beach and Bourbon Street are dens of iniquity any way.

Can Carolina still be quite competitive versus it’s conference “comparables” – NCSU, Wake, UVa, Duke?  Absolutely.  Taking nothing away from NCState’s five game winning streak in football, the two programs’ successes against common opponents over that time period indicate the two programs are indeed comparable.  The same applies to UVA.

TO’B has proven throughout his career that he can build a solid football program and, with the occasional Matt Ryan or Russell Wilson. he can win the games he should win and now and then win a few he shouldn’t win..... and do so without using side doors and excuses.  He can build / maintain a very solid football program.... but not a great one.

Great football program have 3rd strings that could start for “good programs”.  Depth of talent separates “good” from “very good” from “great”.

What Holden is announcing is that UNC will become Northwestern..... and hopes to catch lightning in a bottle and become Stanford; but Northwestern is more likely.

Northwestern is now a good competitive football program under a unique young legacy coach that is consistently finishing in the middle of the Big Ten and upsets the occasional juggernaut every year or so.... and go to 3rd tier bowls every year.

Will the "be like Stanford" phrase come up a whole lot in the weeks, months, years to come.  A whole lot!  Stanford is currently riding a wave of several outstanding recruiting classes with 2-3 once-in-decade players.  See if Stanford can stay in the Top Ten for 2-3 more years.  And, remember my question – “Do Stanford’s players take Swahili too?”  Ask some CliffClavins from Cal-Berkley about Stanford’s keys to success.

Will UNC become a bell cow leading a herd of other schools to do likewise?  Not a chance.  But we will have a built-in excuse when Florida State, VaTech and Clemson give us scoreboard wedgies every year. 

Will this be the impetus to create the mythical "Southern Ivies" conference with Navy, Vandy, and our Tobacco Road rivals?  Maybe.

Will Bubba Cunningham be comfortable with “the Northwestern model”.  I THINK Bubba will be very comfortable with that model and is uniquely talented as an administrator to extract every ounce of success from it however “success” is measured.

Will Larry Fedora be comfortable with it?  Uh oh!  That could be a problem.  “Admission standards” were not an issue at Coach Fedora’s last three career stops – Florida, Oklahoma State and So Miss.  Can he recruit the “skill players” he needs to run his high-octane offense?  Sure, he and his staff can sell themselves and UNC’s outstanding facilities with no problem.  But as any real estate agent or car salesman can attest – the sale is not complete until the prospect QUALIFIES.

Sure, Coach Fedora knew about the pending NCAA restrictions et al; but UNC nailing shut that side door thru admissions ????      

WHAT ABOUT ROY & THE RAFTERS?  The “good news” this week is Roy doesn’t have cancer.  The not so good news is that if Holden is serious (and I think he is) Roy’s ability to bring in Final Four-level talent just took a gut-shot.   John Calipari is smiling.   My guess is that today Roy is not taking Holden seriously.  I think that is a mistake.

Bottom-feeding wuffies notwithstanding, Roy has never recruited “mouth-breathers” but the Tyler Zellers are certainly the rare exceptions.  Remember not only is Holden shutting the side door, he is power-washing out the flim flam courses.  

Its 2012 and Final Four talent is looking at two years of national TV exposure.... dance deep into March and Sayonara College – Hello NBA.   They are NOT looking at burning midnight oil in Wilson Library.

A LOT of folks will applaud this latest announcement.
A LOT of folks will be as mad about this as they were at firing Butch.


If we claim to be “The University of The People” who exactly are “the people” we claim to be the University of?  The CliffClavins or the pointyheads ???  Or those Rotarians who don't know/care who Jennifer Wiley is.  That debate just got really heated.

There are many many sidebars to today's announcement.  Plenty of column fodder for the future, but that's never been a problem.

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duckfetch
Not griping, but you did encourage your readers to pay attention. Is this the new Thorp you described or the same trying-but-cautious Thorp? He could simply declare : no more faculty committee cases, the already low minimum standards are the rule.


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BL: You are watching the pot to see it boil.... and that historically is a frustrating way to spend one's day.

Any sort of meaningful reform that matters will not be a knee-jerk to satisfy the barbarians at the gate.

That he has not done anything in 4-6 weeks doesn't mean he won't do something in 4-6 months which guarantees a lot more howling from the angry mob.
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10/17/2012 7:11:44 PM

duckfetch
BobLee: tomorrow is three week since this column, which is close to the "few weeks" you said we should give Thorp before griping. Coach Roy, this week, says he knows nothing of any changes in BB admission requirements and pretty much says whatever Holden said, he didn't say he would change anything before the 2016 NCAA rules.

I must be missing something.

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BL: Please feel free to gripe, complain and scream FOUL whenever you wish. .... I suspect Holden is waiting for the reports from the several investigating groups before formulating his "reforms". I probably would if I were him.

ABCer fervent hopes that he would be imploding (or exploding) Dean's Dome by now were likely wishful thinking.
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10/17/2012 5:48:41 PM

bh
I'm not a big proponent of any university attempting to mandate higher standards to stay eligible than the other schools in their conference; just adhere to the conference guidelines and if you want a more aggressive focus on scholarship then just keep the classes stringent and without alot of fluff courses available and you accomplish your academic goals just by making it more difficult for your athletes to meet the conference minimums in that manner

I agree that UNC; Wake; NCSU; Uva; and most of ACC should not aspire to be football powers...........goal should be to hire the coaches that seem reasonably competent and solid (hatfield, sheridan, grobe, tob, etc. types) and try to be competitive each year and maybe compete for an ACC title occasionally when you get a special team

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BL: That sounds very reasonable to me. But I'm not a Clavin nor a BOT3 kind of guy needing braggin' rights at "the club".
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9/30/2012 2:09:15 PM

duckfetch
One question: will Holden implement the new standards this year for Fedora's first recruiting class?

One comment: Jon Sasser's comment earlier shows the depth of the problem. The standards that trigger consideration for "exceptions" are laughable. Whether Davis got the number to 9 from 14 is irrelevant.

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BL: re: when "new standards" will go into effect. I haven't decided yet.... nor how radical they might be. But you can bet BLSays readers will be among the first to know.

I am submitting MY recommendations to HT tomorrow.

Jon is just slightly biased in his opinion. For $500/hour I would be biased too. :-)
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9/30/2012 9:14:41 AM

fayettewuf
You know Thorp and I don't so I will defer to you on that issue.
As for Stanford's and others approach being the only way, I wonder. Baseball players can go pro right out of high school if they are disinclined or unable to do college work. Their future employers are happy to provide development programs. I do not see any reason for colleges to develop pro players in football and basketball if it involves compromising their goals and objectives. It is of course not a well defined problem. There are all sorts of reasons that students are not successful in college.
The main factors are background, intelligence and work ethic. I know college students that play sports and go to school. They have to be committed and manage their time to do well.
The ones (not very many) that are marking time until they are drafted are unlikely to be committed to doing the necessary schoolwork or use their time wisely. They should not be in college.

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BL: There are many many POVs re: Big Time College FB and BkB. FWIW, Alabama and Kentucky kinda like it just the way it is now.
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9/30/2012 1:01:08 AM

fayettewuf
I believe that Thorp believes what he said. On the other hand, what he said was precisely what a PR adviser would have him say.
The relationship between academia and college athletics has been evolving since the 20's. I think that college athletics has really gotten the upper hand now. UNC-CH will be the real test of whether it is university with athletics programs associated or athletic programs with
universities attached.
The hypocrisy is amazing. The same folks that made fun of UNC's hiring Butch and the falling dominoes on one thread will call for the replacement of a good but not super successful coach who runs a program with a minimum of academic exceptions.( I think calling them CliffClavins is an insult to those brave men and women that brave rain, snow, sleet and storm to fill my mailbox with campaign literature)
I am not convinced there is a model program that produces top ten or twenty teams in football and or basketball without shirting academics. You say Stanford, I am not sure about them.

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BL: If you read CNR's comments you will see how Stanford "does it". But maybe that is the ONLY way.

I think you are wrong about Holden listening to PR hacks. That is what got him into this mess. You will now see an unfettered Holden Throp free of babbling nitwit "advisors".
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9/29/2012 5:01:39 PM

CNR
Which Stanford football program are you going to emulate? Would it be the programs of Paul Wiggin, Jack Elway, Dennis Green, Bill Walsh, Ty Willingham, Buddy Teevens, Walt Harris, and Jim Harbaugh from 1980-2009 (30 years)? That record accumulated to 151-186-2 with nary an accumulated winning record among the eight fine coaches. Only Bill walsh ended his years with a 17-17-0 record during those years.

By Jim Harbaugh’s fourth year, after going 17-18-0 over his first three seasons, the roster was full of Texans, Georgians, and other SEC types which accounted for one-fourth of the roster spots, especially at QB, RB, CB, WR, FS, LB, OL, DE, DT, and TE.

Stanford had not changed. The football program had changed. How and why?

New football stadium, new facilities, new exemptions for special abilites regardless of academic acumen. At the same time, a new structuring of a program in the Department of Humanities and Science with an Interdisciplinary Program under the umbrella and auspices of the Center for Comparative Studies in Race and Ethnicity (CCCRE) was tailor made for football players who lacked a certain ability in the classroom.

A popular course of study in the program was a combination of African African American Studies (AAAS) and the curiously named Science, Tech, and Society (STS) which was extremely light on the Science and Technology while heavily weighted on the Society end.

An example of courses begins with, quite naturally, Introduction to African American Studies; We Are Never Radical Enough; Hip Hop Youth Identities, and the Politics of Language; African Americans and Social Movements from Sit-ins to Occupying; South Africa: Contested Transitions; Race, Ethnicity, and Linguistic Diversity in Classrooms; Black to the Future; Islam in Africa, Europe, and America.

Slavery and Freedom in American History: We Have not Overcome; Beginning Swahili; Intermediate Swahili; Advanced Swahili; The Changing Face of America: Civil Rights and Education Strategies for the 21st Century; From Freedom to Freedom Now!: How We Freed Ourselves; The Black Mediterranean: Greece, Rome, and Antiquity: How Blacks Built Western Civilization; Classicism: Homer to Hip Hop; Hip Hop and Don’t Stop: Introduction to Modern Speech Communities.

At least forty-eight present roster members from the Soph through Senior classes are majoring in this STS/AAAS interdisciplinary sham. These are not the people from pure science, engineering, et al that have given SU its stellar re*****tion. They are no different than the “student-athletes” at many universities that are looked down upon by the elite. Many present students and faculty at Stanford are not pleased with the situation.

Right now, the football people are being scrutinized by many throughout the community. The players are minding their Ps and Qs. For how long is the question.

No, BL, the questions are not being raised across the Bay only. They are being asked throughout the South and Texas, along with California, Arizona, and Washington. Understandably, Oregon stays out of the conversation in an extreme position of silence.

Hold up on that adoption, BL.

CNR

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BL: When CNR has spoken there is not much else to be said. Remember his words as "be like Stanford" gets tossed about. You folks reading this will know more than the bloviating Clavins (but you already knew that!).
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9/28/2012 7:12:07 PM

NCSU65Grad
BL: Lordy Lordy, you and a guy named Viper on the N&O boards can flat wear out keyboards.

So is this the Monteithian Solution? If so, in 20 years we can expect our version of Chuckles to arrive with a busloads of thug-aletes from Killian High's detention cells ???

Ya think Holden will apply for the WCPSS gig?
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Yep....CTS is rampant these days.

My point, which may have been lost, was that the words of HT remind of the same approach that Dr. Larry Monteith took and we suffering wuffies are still not out, but we DO see the promised land. BTW - Took almost as long as the Children of Israel.

As to the Prof Harold Hill guy and his boys band from Killian being reincartnated at UNC. I would be better predicting what next political subject will enrage the WCBOE.

If you (and i) live long enough and see Tweeting marvin jogging out with the team, then you can probably alert the CDC about SMADS epidemic in CH.

All I know (or think) is that if HT and his successor follow the St. Monteith doctrine, then BOTBob's DNA will also be injected and that the Rafter Readers will NOT be a happy lot. There will be a move afoot to RESTORE the glory days.....and it will NOT follow the laws of periodic motion.

Viper has also left the building....Tomorrow's MAIN game will be my GS' MM FB game.

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BL: Everything on this earth moves in repeating cycles.... whatever once was will one day be again that's for certain.

It took 20+ years fot LT to return to Kenan. It may take much longer for Tweetin' Marv to return. We can only hope....
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9/28/2012 7:01:21 PM

mac in derm
BobLee, when can we expect an anal exam of the number of those awful exceptions being given out at the Oh So Holy State College? Did ALL of Tom O'Brien's recruits score 1150 on the SAT...or just 98% of them? Inquiring Minds Want to Know!

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BL: Thats up to Chanc Randy to reveal, or Frau Yow. Revealing names / numbers of exceptions is neither customary nor necessary of course.

To their credit (??), it's not their fault we (UNC) are in this mess. This is totally of our own doing.

When's the next fish fry, mac?
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9/28/2012 6:10:03 PM

Pack78
As a rabid wuffie, color me somewhat suspicious of the Chancellor search committee makeup. Boxill, Hyde ('How is this affecting recruiting?'), Curtis, Perry...these are the types IMO that facilitated the ooze in the first place. At this point, should Savannah State be checking out hotel room reservations in Pasadena?

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BL: I totally appreciate your cynicism too. Won't even try to abate it. Wait and see ....
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9/28/2012 4:06:54 PM

Jon Sasser
BL, you make some excellent points, but I like your funny stuff better. As you know, it’s my job to straighten out the facts in stuff printed about Coach Davis – and you appear to have gotten your facts from the N&O editorial department. Did you know that committee cases actually decreased on Coach Davis’s watch? The N&O knew that before they forgot it. In a story they printed on November 28, 2010, the paper reported: “A special UNC admissions committee reviews cases of student-athletes who scored below a combined 900 on the critical reading and math portions of the SAT; scored below 420 on the critical reading section of the SAT; scored below 19 composite on the ACT; had a class rank below the 50th percentile; had an NCAA core GPA of less than 2.5; are missing any one course required by the UNC system. Those cases have decreased under head football coach Butch Davis, compared to John Bunting's final two seasons: 2005 23 total, 14 football; 2006 27 total, 18 football; 2007 22 total, 17 football; 2008 13 total, 11 football; 2009 16 total, 11 football; 2010 14 total, 9 football.” Thanks, and I‘ll try to catch you on the radio tomorrow – if the wind is blowing right.

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BL: Hi Jon. Always appreciate hearing from you. If some of the CliffClavins figure out your role in this psycho-drama they will go even nuttier than normal.

I will always give you free rein to make your points. As you know, its my opinion that Dickie could have salvaged all of this from Day One if he "had a pair".

I like my fun stuff better too.

Art & I have McCauley as our guest tomorrow. Lots of Idaho jokes of course.
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9/28/2012 4:05:51 PM

anotherpackfan
"The new Chanc search is being directed by THE ONE MAN who is not afraid of the BOT3 or the faculty nutz."

Holy crap BL. Didn't know a stinkin' blog could get you a spot on the chancellor search committee. Or did you mean the only other person?

Either way, this story really has the board monkeys fired up.

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BL: "stinkin' blog ???? "firing up board monkeys" ranks in difficulty to falling off a log and breathing.

The guy driving this selection bus is the only guy I would trust to do so.... other than myself.

There are a few goobers on the committee because, heck, it IS a UNC committee..... :-)
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9/28/2012 3:53:40 PM

backnine
Thorp's words sound very noble. But hard to get around the notion that he was essentially shamed into it. As some have mentioned - I'll believe all this when I see it. Until then, its just rhetoric, like most everything else uttered over the last two years.

I'm more interested right now in what pending disclosures may yet make their way into print - there are whispers Bob.......

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BL: There are ALWAYS "whispers". Clavins whisper 24/7 - "BigFoot & Elvis are alive in the rafters of Dean's Dome...."... HT is now free of "being fired". There is a boldness in that freedom, but your cynicism is understood.
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9/28/2012 1:48:52 PM

Old MacDonald
You understand why some people might be cynical about what UNC says it is going to do. During the last 2+ years "they" have tried to hide and avoid problems rather than fix them. Who is calling the shots on the new chancellor? A "BOT3"-friendly group or one aligned with the faculty? That's where the rubber hits the road on this deal.

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BL: "Cynicism" is a given in any rivalry and especially so in this circumstance. ... The new Chanc search is being directed by THE ONE MAN who is not afraid of the BOT3 or the faculty nutz.
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9/28/2012 11:29:51 AM

AlumInMebane
Once again Holden is proving himself too green for the position. Like a child that gets in trouble and then promises to "never be bad again", HT had the ultimate oversight on a situation that ran totally out of control, mishandled "the crisis" in almost every way possible, and now wants to make it all better by promising to go to the other extreme when a mature reasonable solution is called for. Can we not accelerate his vacating the position and get a grown up to run our university???

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BL: Your lack of confidence in HT is understood. That said, he is a different man today than he was two weeks ago. But that has to be proven and, I am confident, it will be.
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9/28/2012 11:10:20 AM

Wes in RIC
Sure am glad that I didn't drink the kool-aid and donate any money to the Blue Zone. The only reason that's blue these days is because the seats are blue. Otherwise it would have to be renamed the "Alcoa Aluminum Zone" to better describe it.

I'm surprised that some fat cat hasn't found an over zealous lawyer to sue the University, HT, or "The Educational Foundation, Inc." for damages related to the reduction in value of the seat rights...

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BL: we do live in a very litigious society. I think a few Butcher Buddies considered that route when their guy was booted.
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9/28/2012 10:28:37 AM

duckfetch
BobLee, seems to me the issue isn't simply that athletes were admitted at below UNC"s minimum standards. It looks like they were admitted solely on meeting NCAA standards. There is a difference. N&O interviews from a couple years back, with the director of admissions, showed that the "faculty committee" trigger for review was a standard already far below UNC minimum standards. And, no one could say that the faculty committee had ever turned anyone down. Conveniently, they kept no records of goats vs. sheep.

One imperative, which maybe you could influence, is that UNC needs to publish some account of how they are doing what Thorp says they will do with academic standards. So far, in all this mess, and in the past, the public gets UNC press sunshine but no data unless it is sought hard with specificity.
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BL: Jeeezzz, give the guy a week or so to turn the battleship a few degrees. Sure, hold his feet to the fire is fine but give it a few weeks. The Holden you're seeing now is a revitalized version free from the shackles of the beaten-up version.

I am optimistic.
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9/28/2012 9:46:58 AM

Jim Pomeranz
Esse quam videri, BobLee, Esse quam videri! Holden can talk and propose all he wants but the bottom line line is in the State of North Carolina motto: To Be Rather Than To Seem. Will UNC-CH actually stop with the exceptions on the level it has now? Will the academic structure change to require those exceptions and others to stop with the slide courses. When our sisters in Chapel Hill actually follow through on these reforms and not just talk the game, we will believe. Esse quam videri!

Hope you took time to read my rag on the your friends at the N&O: http://jimpomeranz.blogspot.com, and today's post about Vance Heafner at http://ncgolfer.blogspot.com.

All the best to you and whoever else wants the best...

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BL: Did not see your blog re: Vance. I had not kept up w/ Vance the past few years. Sounds like very tough times for him !!!

Holden is simply announcing that he will be initiating "reforms". The journey of a 1,000 reforms begins with the announcement to do so. Give him a week or so....
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9/28/2012 9:45:23 AM

NCSU68Grad
OK, BL, you were a bit behind on posting your column so I expected a dog mangled my word processor email today. NOW we know.....FIRST and FOREMOST, your comment about Roy's benign biopsy from this prostate cancer survivor (who is a Rootin' Tootin' STATE guy but had the best video game player to come through UNC's Med School and who really knew how what to do with his multi-million dollard robotic arms in my abdomen and he will always be a a hero to me), I am really happy for Roy and hope the other is negative.
When I read Holden's comments I knew immediately that WS4's mission was successful. Wolf Squad 4 (no one will discuss what happened to the first 3) was a crack team (See Peter Graves - Mission Imposible) that had two assignments. The first was to develop an antidote to the St. Monteith Athletic Downfall Syndrome (SMADS) epidemic that had paralyzed the State campus for almost 30 years. After much DNA testing and the use of some human (?) subjects, they finally hit on the formula and used the NCSU Faculty Club water purifier as the WMD. The results of the ethnic cleansing are only beginning to be obvious. The second and most complicated assignment was to spread the SMADS virus to a certain OTHER Flagship instituion. After talking to many sources who had a friend who's cousin...etc. was there during the secret Amedo's parking lot strategy sessions (actually in North Raleigh as the folks who monitor such were decoyed to Western Boulevad)....WS4 has been successful.
Now the facts can be told (expect a book in the future....negotiations for movie rights going on now). The team realized that they needed an almost lethal dose of the SMADS virus and they would only have ONE chance. Once the "piz'n" (western NC version of poison) was developed, it was baked into a pan of brownies. Extensive intelligence had revealed that Ch. Thorp has a sweet tooth and that Blondie's brownies were regarded as some of the best available and were the first to go at tailgates, church socials, etc. During all this, the team had a BobLee mask made up and one member had been practicing his best BL accent. The perfect storm came together. You and Blondie left for your Hickory gig and the BL lookalike (complete with F-150 clone) left also. A fake phone call to Ch. Thorp said that since he was down a bit, you would be dropping off a pan of Blondie's brownies on your way to your Rotary Gig. The rest is history. Ch. Thorp had a chocoholic binge and ate the who pan washing it down with a quart of Organic milk from Whole Foods (we DO have cameras inside).
So, the piz'n was delivered as planned and within a week, Ch Thorp has the St. Monteith DNA in his system.
WS4 has destroyed the formula for the antidote and also altered the minds of all the team members so that it will NEVER be duplicated.
WS4 has been disbanded, but rumors are that the key members have been talking to Susan Bryant and that Ron Margiotta John Tedesco have already donated DNA samples.....more on this later.

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BL: Lordy Lordy, you and a guy named Viper on the N&O boards can flat wear out keyboards.

So is this the Monteithian Solution? If so, in 20 years we can expect our version of Chuckles to arrive with a busloads of thug-aletes from Killian High's detention cells ???

Ya think Holden will apply for the WCPSS gig?
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9/28/2012 9:20:08 AM

DrJay
It seems to me that UNC (and other schools of like mind) should do one of two things: either field teams from those legitimate students who can actually qualify to get in school and be content with letting those chips fall where they may; OR admit that some kids will never be scholars and just want to play a little college ball and then (try to) move on up, in which case we let them come and give them a curriculum that will help them - how to manage money, how to deal with agents - practical things that will be far more useful and helpful than most of the trumped-up majors they pursue now. That second option strikes me as the best of both worlds - we have better teams AND we are actually helping the kids who need it most (those who really want an academic degree will get it; those who want to major in "team sports" can still be helped to deal in the real world). I know I'm swimming upstream, but this has concerned me for a long time.

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BL: Thats generally referred to as the "create a community college tract" for really good athletes who can't do normal college classroom work.

It has merit but academicians' heads explode at the concept.

Most "Football Factories" employ a version of that concept.
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9/28/2012 9:09:39 AM

BobInKC
"I see no connection between The Great Unpleasantness and punishing future football and basketball recruits especially. The players didn't set up the bogus classes. Where's the accountability of the administrators who did, and who may in the future! There are side door cases who do get legitimate degrees who would otherwise have no chance for a college education except via athletics. Being more stringent in analyzing side door cases might be a better approach. I also have to wonder how the ACC would view these policies from a standpoint of competition. Maybe the Notre Dame model would be more applicable than the Northwestern one - stay in the ACC for everything except football and basketball, which would (have to) go to a Division III conference. And then the athletics department funding drys up because there are no revenue sports effectively! Maybe Holden should just close the department now instead of forcing a slow death of it." - BobnKC

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BL: Variations of your argument will be filling cyberspace in the weeks/months to come.
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9/28/2012 8:54:08 AM

Chip
Call me cynical but isn't Holden leaving in the not-too-distant future? Will these reforms be upheld by a future administration?

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BL: Ahhhhh.... excellent question grasshopper! Ya think that might be a key question in "next Chancellor" interviews? .... Right now the odds of them hiring a Clavin-friendly Chanc are about as good as Savannah State playing in the Rose Bowl.
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9/28/2012 7:22:25 AM

nctravellinman
Do away with all athletic scholarships. If students want to play; try out. If the NFL & NBA want a farm league, let them pay for it. Yeah, I know it will never happen; that genie got out of the bottle decades ago. But, as HT stated early on, college athletics is a "hazardous" endeavor.

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BL: I'm not quite so severe in my opinion. Each institution should decide its priorities. The question is WHO represents the voice of the institution ???
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9/27/2012 10:51:39 PM

TM in Roswell
If only we could get the NCAA or Presidents of Div I schools to require minimum and uniform admissions standards that are higher than currently. How about a loss of scholarships if a school has above so many players who leave before 4 years or even 3?

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BL: None of the current Top 20 BCS programs see any need for "reforms". "Reforms" are for losers... and programs with their tallywhacker caught in their zipper
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9/27/2012 10:30:01 PM

TG
"just got gut-shot". Mickey Spillane lives!

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BL: UNC won't "bleed-out" but will have a permanent hitch in its get-along.
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9/27/2012 9:35:31 PM

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