When we get him in “Our Program”

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    BobLee
    August25/ 2015

    I recently spent several hours with a former Power Five FB assistant coach (almost twenty years with two top twenty programs). It was a “catching-up” lunch that included a mutual friend.

    WARNING: A rather long (incredibly insightful) diatribe that deals with yucky crap.   The individual in that title picture is not connected to any local FB program…. simply an example found by googling “Football Player Arrested”.  There were many to choose from.

    Our conversation juxtaposed with four Quirky News stories from this past week. Those four Quirkies are (1) Maurice Clarett’s scared straight talks…. (2) Art Briles’ coach said / coach said mess…. (3) Atheists against team chaplains…. (4) Cris Carter’s Fall Guy fiasco. You might want to reread those after you finish this…..  My conversation with the veteran coach preceded those news stories. He is now an executive in sports administration.

    I asked him one of my favorite questions.

    In Big Time College Football, when recruiting a “blue-chipper”, can you usually tell when you’re dealing with a loose hand grenade a/k/a a hard-case?”

    “Sure, it’s in his body language, the questions he asks / doesn’t ask, his appearance; all that, plus what you already know about his home situation and school records.”  If the kid has all the football athletic skills you are looking for….. you discount all the “loose hand grenade” signs with the cliché catch-all:

    …. “He’ll be OK once when we get him in our program.”

    Every Power Five football program (basketball too, but today is about football) thinks they have a system in place to rehabilitate “hard cases” and prevent them from “going BOOM”….. Especially “hard cases” that could be real on-field difference-makers for their program.

    IF that were true, why were Cris Carter and Warren Sapp telling alums of those programs to “have a fall guy”??  LINK.

    It is a long-standing cliché at Monday morning staff meetings after the assistants have been out on recruiting look-sees. Each assistant gives a thumbnail appraisal of his prospect including a comment about “character issues” along the lines of

    “….. a bit of a chip on his shoulder, the usual issues with authority figures, a few run-ins with the local cops BUT no felonies…. nothing that we can’t control….. once we get him in our program.”

    Within each staff, that caveat seems to be standard with certain coaches. The head coach hesitates moving along until he hears that magic phrase. It becomes the standing joke that the whole staff “gets”.

    So, is he like X, Y, and Z who claimed all of their victims was consensual and they never knew how those 9mm and the baggies of grass kept showing up in their SUVs which no one ever knew how they afforded with their grandmother on welfare. ….. is this one like all those guys you signed?”.... who somehow managed to create PR nightmares for the Head Coach, the program and the institution.

    “Hey, gimmee a break”, the embarrassed assistant coach retorts, “even Babe Ruth swung and missed on a few. This kid is different…..”. And so it goes behind the scenes in Big Time College Football.

    Staffs DO keep records of assistants’ “track records” in evaluating recruits as their hard-cases matriculate. When a high profile celebrity coach is being grilled by media about the latest “crime spree” by one or more of his “student-athletes” he is remembering the assistant who assured him “I can keep this kid out of trouble once he gets on-campus.

    At any one time, each assistant has a dozen or so players on their roster that are “his responsibility”. They might not be in his position category but he recruited them so they are “his”. Everyone on the staff knows it. When a program in “under siege” for a bad boy incident all his peers recall him saying ….. “he’ll be OK once we get him in our program.”

    Football coaches at the major college / pro level want to “coach football”. They want to breakdown film…. devise schemes….. create situation personnel groups….. drill fundamentals….. blow whistles and yell a lot.  They do NOT want to play parish priests and parole officers.

    They are not trained for nor interested in “rehabbing problem children”. Just as they leave injury treatment to the trainer / medical staff, they want to abdicate responsibility for “bad boyz” to someone else “within our program”.

    They ALL realize “you can’t win at ‘this level’ with a roster of boy scouts”. Requoting Lane Kiffin – “Angels don’t play football…. so we don’t recruit angels.”

    The Head Coach knows that.   His staff of aspiring heads coach wanna-bees all know it.  The inner circle of Fat Cats know it.  The school admins are totally clueless.   Some fans know it, but most fans don’t care one way or the other…. all they want is “bragging rights” on Monday morning.

    CARDINAL RULE: Our rivals’ hard-cases are all serial felonious thugs – Get A Rope! ….. “Ours” (who commit identical crimes) are “basically good kids” who just need a hug and 2nd, 3rd, 4th chances. ….. yawn; if you had a nickel every time a board monkey blurts THAT.

    If an SEC school goes two years without a headline “thug-alete” incident, you can bet that program is LOSING. They don’t have the overly aggressive, 1,000-yard stare, hard-cases necessary to compete with the hard-cases across the line-of-scrimmage. The whole staff will be fired and a new one will come in that “understands what it takes to compete at this level”.

    Which brings us to those gosh-darn controversial team chaplains.  Big Time Programs have stumbled onto one element that actually DOES some good with “hard cases”.   It is “the team chaplain”.   Men such as NC State’s Al Byrd and UNC’s Mitch Mason shown below.

    The coaches that routinely recruit the hard-cases don’t want to be “chaplains”. The “chaplains” DO want to be “chaplains”. The good experienced chaplains are very good at identifying “hard cases”.

    The team chaplain concept, under the FCA funding umbrella as explained in that Quirky article (LINK), is becoming very common across Power Five World. Even if it wasn’t effective (in most cases it IS effective), it appeals to a recruit’s family which in more cases than not is a single mother / relative who has worked multiple jobs to provide for the recruit and his siblings. Now “her boy” is going off to college and leaving her daily influence however effective that has been.

    The recruit likes the fancy “jock dorm” and the jumbotron and the local club scene.
    Whoever raised him likes “that nice man” she met on their campus visit who was introduced as “our team chaplain”.

    These chaplains are realists. They realize the inherent dangers of dropping an “at-risk” kid from a survive-or-die street environment into a white middle-class campus abundant in “temptations”.  It is Russian Roulette for both predator and prey.

    Yes, there is usually a low-key Christian component to the chaplain’s MO but the good ones know how to downplay that if it hinders him “being there” when a hard-case is about to fall into the Abyss. …. finding an abortion clinic when the linebacker’s girlfriend’s “stick turns blue” can create a bit of a theological dilemma.

    Often the team chaplain is the only authority figure the hard-case “might” trust. Predominately white coaches are essentially “cops without guns” that the hard-cases have been hard-wired to distrust.

    The vast majority of team chaplains are AfAm men with direct knowledge of the real world of semi-literate 18 y/os with ONE chance left

    …. to barter their athletic ability into a legitimately marketable education – Their Only Way out of a dead-end life.

    “Having a fall guy” is NOT the way out. A seven figure “signing bonus” can easily disappear before they are 25….. and left with no education and no team chaplain who cares. Maybe the only man he encountered that actually “gave a damn” beyond “what can he do for our program”.

    Yes, I am cynical as hell about 97% of the hypocritical horse-crap that spews out of every pore of Big Time College Sports. The current “team chaplain” concept is a legitimate attempt to deal with a very real problem THAT IS ONLY GOING TO GET WORSE even with team chaplains.

    If your school is in a Power Five conference, your coaches are NOT going to stop “rationalizing the recruiting” of hard-cases. The next dozen “he said / she saids…. the next dozen “DUI with a gun and drugs in his vehicle”….. are lined up like 747s over O’Hare at 5 PM.

    Nothing is being done to stem the flow of “hard-cases” at the high school level. If anything….. the racial divide in America worsens by the day….. The Spectator / Gladiator Chasm.

    Semi-literate 18 y/os grabbing ballcaps out of duffel bags while wearing t-shirts glorifying authority-hating rappers and sporting bad boy tatts are the present and foreseeable future of Big Time College Football.   Today’s Ferguson / Baltimore street rioters are tomorrow’s BMOCs…. ouch!

    Coaches’ livelihoods depend on Ws on Saturdays. Not on playing Father Flannigan to hard-cases in helmets.Father Flannigan

    If the God-hating atheists are successful in wiping out the “team chaplain” programs (LINK) that will be one less finger in the dike to slow down this flood of unadulterated cultural chaos.

    Do you really think “paying each player” $3,000/year is going to make a difference? The local video game retailers really like that infusion of $$$$ by the way.

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    Wow…. that was a stressful column. I need to go trek the App Trail and see if I run into Bo Derek or Joey Heatherton. If I do, you’ll be the first to know.

     

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    BobLee
    • John Reply
      4 years ago

      Value judgements typically take a while to put forth. I don’t have the time
      Briefly, from my perspective (both observationally and judgementally), neither chaplains nor ASPA level “support” should be necessary to the athletic programs.
      Carry on your good work, please.

      • BobLee Reply
        4 years ago

        That could be a great debate topic. It relates directly to the Gladiator / Spectator issue and bringing “at risk” young AfAm men into an alien environment and expecting them to “adjust”. The chaplains spend much of their time in those counseling issues.

    • 58WolfKennel Reply
      4 years ago

      “BL, in a world of unintended consequences, my earlier comments were picked up from here and posted on the Pack Pride non-subscription board. Some people love having fun, including some of your new and old responders herein. If you made any significant money off this blog, I should get a 1% cut :>))

      By the way, why wouldn’t I believe every word which I’ve written here? Is there a blogster’s code I’m not aware of.

      Also you should value your friends fully, even those who might invite you to a non-booth, afternoon blow-out of the Troys of life. At least the parking would be up to your snuff :>))
      Bob K

      PS: Started to write about your Alabama Alligator. Puts to shame the last one my Granddad killed at Kennel’s Beach in 1943 with a 22 Rifle. It was 12 feet and 685 lbs. But he did it by himself rowing out to the alligator, then standing up in the rowboat and shooting it in the eye as the only way to get a ’22 into the brain. Then several men rowed out to help him wrestle it back to shore. More rugged or foolish in those days. He was over 70 at the time :>))

      • BobLee Reply
        4 years ago

        I am not responsible for your notoriety among “your own kind” at PPride. Most non PPriders here are convinced I “made you up” despite all evidence to the contrary.
        .
        Of course you totally believe everything you write. Total Sincerity is a large part of your “charm”. 🙂
        .
        Your Carter-Finley primo parking spot is indeed befitting Frau’s Right-hand Man & Official Jimmy V Historian and, of course, “America’s Forgotten Founding Father”. I can see you as Troy shooting’ gators in the bayou in Swamp People.

    • John Reply
      4 years ago

      Using religion to keep things “in line” in a system where mostly white guys get rich from the toil of mostly black guys is nothing new.

      • BobLee Reply
        4 years ago

        Reverend William Barber, Reverend Al Sharpton and Reverend Jesse Jackson might disagree with that… or maybe not. Leaving these young men on their own to survive college and be better prepared for “real life” is certainly an option.

        • John Reply
          4 years ago

          An observation, not a value judgement.

          • BobLee Reply
            4 years ago

            Either one are welcomed here. Do you have an observation on my oft-noted “Spectators & Gladiators” theory?

            • John
              4 years ago

              It’s spot on.

            • BobLee
              4 years ago

              I take THAT as a value judgement. 🙂

    • SeaIsland Gambler Reply
      4 years ago

      I fear it will get worse until somebody gets killed… knifed… shot… whatever… in front of 80,000 fans and a national TV audience a minute or two before halftime….

      • BobLee Reply
        4 years ago

        Wonder how Erin Andrews would deal with that? Alas, Caligula proved that even human slaughter has its appeal to some. Of course, it didn’t end too well for Caligula or for The Roman Empire in general. Must be something to this “Bread & Circus” thing.

    • Cabcash Reply
      4 years ago

      “The Butcher could “pass a poly” on his innocence….”

      Sure he could…..

      Jon Sasser ‏@JonSasser Aug 21

      For years, UNC claimed Butch Davis sullied its reputation. In fact, the opposite was true. http://NYTimes.com http://mobile.nytimes.com/2015/07/24/upshot/the-fundamental-way-that-universities-are-an-illusion.html?

      Jon Sasser ‏@JonSasser Aug 24

      @york1313 @MikeAndMike Butch Davis was cleared by the NCAA, The Wainstein Report, Governor Martin, and everyone else who investigated UNC.

      Jon Sasser ‏@JonSasser Aug 24

      @york1313 @MikeAndMike Exactly. Butch Davis, the new guy who ain’t from around here, was the fall guy for decades of UNC academic fraud.

      Yada yada yada…

      https://twitter.com/JonSasser/with_replies

      • BobLee Reply
        4 years ago

        I’m sure Butch appreciates your support. I doubt he still checks in here but maybe someone can let him know.

    • TracieG Reply
      4 years ago

      No more calls… we have a winner!…. 58WK as “America’s Forgotten Founding Father” is as perfect as any nickname you’ve ever come up with. BL. I don’t know this man except thru his “interesting comments” history here. I don’t believe you “make him up” BobLee; but I think whoever he is “makes himself up”. Nobody could be that much of a self-righteous squirrel.

      • BobLee Reply
        4 years ago

        Tracie, I don’t “make him up”. 58WolfKennel is that regular commenter that every website host dreams of…. Always A Hoot! Every comment should be followed by a vaudeville rimshot. BK/WK absolutely believe everything he says here, I guarantee you that. I know BK/WK personally. If possible, he is even more “provocative” in person than he is here. His total commitment to The Kennelian WorldView is genuine. He sees The World thru a prism of his own design. …. “America’s Forgotten Founding Father” – Indeed! 🙂

    • 58WolfKennel Reply
      4 years ago

      ” BL, glad to see BOG Guy’s comment and knowledge of the FCA Chaplain program. I was with Al Byrd this past weekend in giving a tour of the new Indoor Practice facility to chaplain program donors. Responding to your several comments to my responses, you sometime try to put me in unfair extreme loyalty and political stances.
      .
      As far as NC State is concerned, I do know enough of the “innards” over a 60 year experience to judge the culture. We obviously have had our hiccups, but what I have been thankful for is the way we have handled the issues.
      What sets us aside? NC State has always been “#2” in the State so have not had “airs” to project or protect. When we have had a “scandal” it has been almost laughable in hindsight such as the Jackie Moreland basketball; David Thompson practice; Jimmy V shoes; Sydney Lowe watering grass on wrong day; Mary Easley salary; or a recent football alumnus sent a formal notice to stay away.
      .
      The real difference is in the ultimate “Institutional Control” which NC State has had on a pretty consistent basis. I also believe that other long term ACC schools such as Virginia (despite “airs”), VA Tech, Duke, Wake Forest, and GA Tech have similar views. Also remember NC State had the BASE (Beyond Academic Support Excellence) Program for 5 years which I was asked to shut down because we could not take a chance on former athletes interacting directly with current athletes (partly because of the start of TGU).
      .
      Politically, I’m shameless on social and theological matters. But I’ve successfully worked directly with 4 US Presidents (three Republican) and 6 NC Governors (two Republican) on matters they felt important to their constituencies. So I am a patriotic American, strong North Carolina booster, and solid NC State alumnus for life. Not blind !! “

      • BobLee Reply
        4 years ago

        DoggoneIt BK. Every time I post one of these “58WK doozies” I get accused of “making you up”. I swear folks… this is pure unedited Kennel.
        .
        You left out Perry Mooreman (sp?) rape charge and several of Chas Shacklerford’s underage girls and concealed weapons incidents and numerous others that aren’t as “trivial” as the silly ones you chose to use as examples. Hey, it’s your comment BK. I don’t correct glaring omissions. I repeat Cardinal Rule #1 for Kennel: All your’n are just misunderstood good boys who deserve hugs and multiple chances …. while everyone elses are heinous thugs. Got it, BK. …. yeeee haha! Regardless, NC State certainly is NOT a Top Twenty Thug-alete program by anyone’s measure…. nor has NCState won any ACC FB championships or been to any Top Tier Bowls… which is the real point of the column. Also you have VaTech on the “almost as pure as NC State” list. Might want to research that one again BK. The Vick Brothers alone had a full page in the Blacksburg Police register.
        .

        As to your being “America’s Forgotten Founding Father”… I’m going to leave THAT to FightingBobKennel to comment on. I’m sure FBK will enjoy doing so.

        .
        BK… what does Rev Barber think about the atheists coming after team chaplains? Surely he has shared his thoughts with you… or you with him. However all that works.

    • BOG Guy Reply
      4 years ago

      Great column! I know Al Byrd and contribute to fellowship of Christian Athletes to help finance his involvement with the team. Our friend Johnny Evans used to fill this role on a part-time basis, but he thought they needed a full-time person. Johnny’s the one who first asked me to contribute. (DISCLAIMER: Before any True-Bluer takes me to task, as a BOG member, for helping the program at State and not CH, I will reiterate that we do not “do” athletics! I’m sure Carolina’s chaplin program is well-funded, but I would be happy to support similar programs at smaller schools in the system, just because I think it is a good idea.)

      I have actually attended a game-day fellowship with Johnny and a surprisingly large number of football players. it’s a very good program and I sincerely hope we won’t let the atheists take this away from us.

      • BobLee Reply
        4 years ago

        The two “team chaplain” programs (UNC and NCSU) are set-up exactly the same. Johnny actually set-up UNC’s before he duplicated it a year later at NCSU. I recall the FCA annual meeting when he challenged NCSU supporters to step up to fund a chaplain for State. I believe he had his support team signed up within an hour. Johnny can be very persuasive.
        .
        I have never met Al Byrd or heard him speak. Mitch Mason is a TERRIFIC speaker and very impressive young man. I’m sure Al is equally so, or Johnny would never have chosen him. Don’t know if Johnny has done this for any other schools in his FCA Region or not.

    • NCSU68Grad Reply
      4 years ago

      Interesting column, BL. I SORT of expected (maybe I missed it) a link or referral to Dalvin Cook. Is that the FSU lad with the Dread’s? I think that JW (of TB fame) has a modified (close cut) Afro. I DO apologize for not being able to recognize the FSU ALL STARS out of uniform….it is MUCH easier to identify them from their mug shots.

      I also do admit that Chuck (CTC) was able to bring in some FL Thug-A-Letes….but the Marine sort of took care of them. Doeren has had a few issues, but seems to be surviving….but the season is young and we all know that a young lad can stray at anytime.

      CBS had its Jim Seward (VP in charge of Arthur Godfrey…..and he had his hands full). I guess that Jim’s offsprings have found gainful employment in the AD’s of some of the more notorius schools.

      As to the Happy Appy (Trail, that is), like your recruits…..make your choices WISELY…… Having hiked some of it in my younger years as a BSA leader, there are some walks in the park and KILLERS.

      However, having recently traversed Bryce Canyon (from the North to the South), the zig-zag climb out of the South is one of the Killers…..I thought that I was going to have to have my DW extricated via a litter and the NPS Smokeys….

      • BobLee Reply
        4 years ago

        TO’B did seem to run a tight ship as, so far, does DD. But TO’B never attained sustained “success” (except vs UNC) nor, to date, as DD. So the “price of sustained success” remains in question… and NCSU’s willingness to ante up “that price”.

        • NCSU68Grad Reply
          4 years ago

          WHO is the FSU Lad in the picture?

          • BobLee Reply
            4 years ago

            No clue…. not intended to be anyone in particular.

    • inkstainedscribe Reply
      4 years ago

      If you want additional inspiration to hit the App Trail, just visit the ESPN Radio site and look up yesterday’s clip of The Butcher on Mike & Mike explaining how every coaching staff has guys whose jobs are to make sure those hard cases never get on campus. I nearly spewed an entire pot of coffee listening to BD’s wisdom.

      • BobLee Reply
        4 years ago

        I missed that. I did try and catch M&M’s take on Cris Carter’s blooper. The Butcher could “pass a poly” on his innocence…. as could Charles Manson and Ted Bundy.

    • 58WolfKennel Reply
      4 years ago

      “Well, just had another well-thought response disappear without having copied it ahead of time. In summary, your write-up is again well done as were the previous four “quirk” articles, but I believe somewhat jaundiced in view. In all honesty, I don’t doubt such situations exist at many universities but respectfully don’t feel this about NC State as a representative ACC school. I plan to send your article to AD Debbie Yow and to Chaplain Al Byrd not to cause a problem but maybe get some additional insight. I have been around enough amongst culture, staff, coaches, chaplain, and players to believe this is not a Pollyannaish view. Also this is not a “Harrumph” statement. Will let you know what happens.”

      • BobLee Reply
        4 years ago

        BK, I will NEVER say “every fan base has ‘a Kennel”. You possess a level of stone-blind partisanship in both sports (and politics) to grant you a degree of “unique”. …. That said:
        .
        Give me five minutes in Chapel Hill, Tallahassee, Tuscaloosa or Waco and I’ll find a dozen “washed-in-their-blood true-believers” in the sanctified purity of THEIR programs to challenge your absolutism in All Things Wolfpackian. …. I am certain there are Dallas Cowboy true-believers convinced of the virginal purity of each of their cheerleaders. I would never want to shatter those illusions. Believing in something (no matter how Yeee Haa) is much better than believing in nothing.
        .
        Recall my column on “Madeline Abright” fans? No, Mr President, you did NOT have sex with that no-account lying intern.
        .
        .
        If the past five years of TGU is your “by comparison” standard then your Wolfpack ARE the purest UNC System program in The ACC by unanimous agreement. Beyond that I fear historical records challenge your holier-than-thou POV. Coach Dave has not had his WHAMMO yet, but odds are he will as he seeks to recruit/compete at the “highest levels”.
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        I look forward to any reaction from Frau or Al or Randy or Dave or Gott…. or anyone.

        • Doug Reply
          4 years ago

          Your rebuttal to Mr Kennel is on point. One problem with the today’s society is the systemic culture crisis which is hard wired into certain segments of the population and it is not limited athletes only. I hesitate using the term thug but can’t find a better one to make my point. It is on every campus by default either with athletes, students or outsiders that hang around and ply their trade of illicit, in demand, activities, or “stuff.” No school, no community, no mall, movie theater, nowhere is immune. It IS wherever young people congregate. Many people born before the late 80’s or early 90’s find what is really going on right under their noses or behind the scenes really difficult to grasp and virtually no one hanging around the Ram’s or Wolfpack Club’s know. My kids tell me all the time, you wouldn’t believe or even want to know what is really going on on every large college campus.

          • BobLee Reply
            4 years ago

            58BK, bless his heart, is like that old fella who pitched to Josh Hamilton in HR Derby. He grooved his pitches to make’em easy to hit outta the park.
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            Every generation is convinced the succeeding one “has lost it’s way… and is doomed”. As with conspiracy theories, only 50% of such convictions turn out to be true. Uh oh!

            • Doug
              4 years ago

              He should re-read the CARDINAL RULE. A hanging curve was the only one I could hit unless it was from a southpaw. Lefty hitters of dubious talent should never face a southpaw.

            • BobLee
              4 years ago

              I have no intention of trying to “change 58WK”. That would be akin to drawing a mustache on Mona Lisa.

            • Doug
              4 years ago

              I’m sure DD, Ms. Yow, and Mr Byrd will confirm re: any questionable signee, “He’ll be OK once when we get him in our program.”

            • BobLee
              4 years ago

              According to my qualified source of over 20 years “in that business” … “thats what THEY ALL say.” …. and all believe.

    • Old MacDonald Reply
      4 years ago

      Which assistant was “responsible” for Marvin? I’d like to buy him a beer!

      • BobLee Reply
        4 years ago

        I can’t believe you don’t know the answer to that one. It was John “Black Santa” Blake or as Butch calls him “John Who”.

        • Old MacDonald Reply
          4 years ago

          I was not sure if Blake stayed at the “macro” level and did not get in the trenches as far as day to day things on campus with the guys he recruited. No wonder the whole thing blew up. Blake had way too many hand grenades to look after, even if he wanted to.

          • BobLee Reply
            4 years ago

            “Blake’s Boys” were the bulk of The Dirty Dozen that were involved with Jennifer The Tutor. As far as “on campus”, I doubt John Blake had a clue where “the library is” at UNC…. and it was only a few hundred yards from his Kenan FB Center office. “Juggling hand grenades” was a John Blake special talent. OK, he overlooked telling Marvin “Don’t Ever Tweet!”

    • Doug Reply
      4 years ago

      Forget the App Trail. A good Brunswick Stew can cure what ails you. It might even moderate a hard head’s behavior temporarily. Perhaps. Maybe. It’s called comfort food for a reason.
      I know this guy from Scotland Neck and plan to invite myself sometime this fall for a fix. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5BHGdot980A

      • BobLee Reply
        4 years ago

        Should team chaplains use Brunswick stew in their ministry?

    • fayettewuf Reply
      4 years ago

      There is no such thing as a bad boy…if he can bench press 300 lbs. and runs a real fast 40. I don’t know if it was Valvano who said about a risky recruit, if I don’t recruit him, someone else beats me with him. I like your chances of meeting Bo Derek on the Appalachian Trail better than a change in the recruiting of thugs. I think in the long run you do better with smarter non-thugs but I don’t run a big time program.

      • BobLee Reply
        4 years ago

        If I ever do The App Trail I’m liable not to want to come back. I bet it’s less yucky than this mess! Without / without Bo and Joey.

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